Episode 939 – Do You Tramp Stamp?

Rear spare tire delete? What upgrades have you bought… that are now orphaned? … stored in your attic… Are you a brand whore? Is there a specific brand that you “go to” when making upgrades… How do you compensate for the embarrassment of owning a red Jeep? … by over emphasizing that all Jeeps should be red?

Nobody except for me had radios, so I had four

>> Speaker A: And I’m like, okay, what channel a GMRS will be running on? And everybody looks at each other and said, oh, we need our radios. I didn’t bring mine, I left them at, um, oh, what’s a GMRS. And so nobody except for me had radios, so I had four. So I kept one and shared the other three. And people appreciated having it so we could communicate on the same frequency. Yeah, we did, I figured it out.

>> Tony: So, Chip, um, i, uh, would recommend it’d be really good, so get you a set of semaphore flags and say, okay, well, let’s just use and just hand them the flags and ah, maybe a cheat sheet and the next time they’ll bring it to Am radio.

This roundtable episode is brought to you by Tyree Lights Offroad

This roundtable episode is brought to you by Tyree Lights. Tyree Lights is known as the industry leader in lighting for heavy vehicles in mining, forestry, construction, agriculture, and material handling. Now, Tyree Lights Offroad brings the same strength and quality to your Jeep. Find out, uh, more about Tyree Lights at Tyreeoffroad. Uh.com, that’s tyrioffroad.com. I am Tony, and welcome to all our new listeners and of course, our regular, uh, that are here at the Jeep Talk Show Roundtable every week. I’m your host and I’m excited to have you here for this special gathering of passionate Jeep enthusiasts. On tonight’s episode, we’ll be asking you, uh, do you do or what do you think about rear spare tire deletes? And this would probably primarily be for wranglers, but I guess it could be for any Jeep that, uh, has a, uh, spare tire, um, mount on the back of the back of the Jeep. Uh, another question we’re going to be asking is what upgrades have you bought that are now orphaned? Like stored in, uh, the garage or maybe even your attic? So, are you a brand whore? Is there a specific brand that you go to when making upgrades? You don’t even think about anybody else? I just got to get it, uh, from, uh, Genrite or I just got to get it from Motobuilt. So, uh, brand whore. There’s nothing wrong with that. Uh, if you like something, you generally go back to the same company, uh, over and over again. Uh, how do you compensate for the embarrassment of owning a red Jeep? How dare you? Uh, one suggestion is by overemphasizing that all Jeeps should be red. And they should I mean, I just state the obvious here. Hey, did you know that you can submit your questions for the Roundtable@jeeptalshow.com contact? You can. And that’s how these questions that we have on this episode came to us.

>> Speaker C: Are you ready?

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Zoom meeting where anybody can join and be part of the show

All right, so, uh, first off, uh, hello, Zoom people.

>> Speaker A: Good evening.

>> Speaker C: Hello.

>> Tony: Good evening. So, uh, I was told earlier today that, uh, a weekly Zoom meeting where anybody can just, if they want to, can join and be part of this show, was a foreign concept to a lot of people that it’s hard to understand. It’s confusing, even. Uh, so I thought we’d take a moment here to just kind of plug the whole concept of this weekly Zoom meeting thing. Um, several of you are reoccurring ah, offenders here. You’re here every week, and thank you. Uh, but do you guys think it’s unusual? I mean, I was told that something like this that we do every week, uh, is something that, uh, some shows do, but they make you have to, uh, be a patreon subscriber or something. You only get this special treatment. I know. It’s funny to me, too. You only get this special treatment, uh, if you’ve paid for it.

>> Larry: Never heard of Zoom.

>> Tony: It was the show out of Boston. Zoom zuma zuma.

>> Speaker C: I know of a couple of shows that do it with their patreon. Yeah, wouldn’t that be why this is the number one talk show?

>> Tony: I like that.

>> Speaker C: $20. $20.

>> Tony: Uh, uh, you guys enjoy it. Some of you guys, uh, show up here twice a week. Uh, now, the little quick story behind that is that we used to do a roundtable segment. It was a campfireside chat, and we would record that on our flagship episode, which is really the only episode we had at the time. And, uh, you, uh, guys would listen to the show until it was near the end and it was time for the fireside, uh, chat to start. And then you guys would come on, uh, and Josh would ask a series of questions and, uh, get your answers. He actually would go to each one of you and ask your response. Um, uh, and then we moved it over to its own dedicated episode, which we record on Tuesday and then publish, uh, on Wednesday. And, uh, so some of you guys still show up for Thursday, too. I guess it’s, uh, the Zoom memory that you’re going for. Uh uh, and Thursday is kind of good, because you guys don’t listen to the show at all that we’re recording. You’re just talking to each other.

>> Speaker C: I was about to correct you on that earlier, because you were saying, we used to join and listen to the show, and then we would join and then get interrupted by the show when it was time for that segment.

>> Tony: Yeah, and I’d see the microphone for the Jeep talk show muted because the show was interrupting you guys, if I’m.

>> Speaker A: Not mistaken, that’s where Travis came up with shut up.

>> Speaker C: Shut up. Shut up.

>> Speaker A: Yes, you were correct.

>> Tony: Oh, the audio was real loud one time, wasn’t it, uh, from the show.

>> Speaker C: I think everybody was pinging you, trying to get you to turn it down.

>> Tony: Yeah, I had forgotten to, uh, lower the audio. I, uh, wish we had, uh, gotten, uh, a recording of that when Travis did that, because it was funny.

>> Speaker C: Shut up. Shut up, shut up. If only.

>> Tony: Yeah. So, basically, we just do a Zoom meeting once a week. Anybody can join, and sometimes we have guests. I would say that one of our most famous guests is Jim, uh, from, uh, Jeep North, uh, America. Jim, uh, who recently, uh, moved into the performance division. Uh, but, uh, it was great to have Jim come in here and answer questions. There’s very few people that, uh I mean, Jim’s a friendly guy, and he’ll easily talk to anybody that comes up to him, uh, especially about, uh so but it was cool that you guys didn’t have to leave, uh, your home just to talk to Jim.

>> Larry: Well, yeah, that’s nice. That’s one thing nice about the room is everybody gets to meet and talk to some of the, I’ll say more famous people in the Jeep atmosphere, culture, whatever you want us to call it. But everybody kind of gets to mingle and talk to these people that most people don’t get the opportunity to.

>> Tony: Well, all you guys are important, uh, and, uh, certainly I love the idea that we can, uh, bring those, uh, individuals to, uh, you guys, and it doesn’t really take much for us to get them on the show. Uh, a lot of people are very amazed at the ability to speak directly, uh, to, uh, their users, so to speak and hear directly from them. Uh, and it’s in a setting where it’s not like answering calls or hate, uh, from, uh, social media or something. It’s actually just a back and forth conversation. So, yeah, it’s really neat. And I’m really glad that, uh, the whole Zoom Room idea, the Roundtable episodes, have, uh, been, um, um, welcomed as much as it has been. So it’s really very simple. We just get on here, do a Zoom meeting. I think, uh, if not everybody, mostly everybody learned about Zoom meetings, uh, during the pandemic. So, uh, it’s a really easy thing to do on any platform. So please feel free to join us here.

Your Jeep has to have a spare tire. Whether you’re on the road or off the road

All right, so let’s get to this. Uh, you guys, uh, just remind you say your first name, uh, location the first time you speak tonight, so rear spare tire delete. I’m going to go first. I don’t like this.

>> Speaker C: Do elaborate.

>> Tony: What are you going to do?

>> Speaker C: Would you get a flat call a friend. I like to phone a friend. What’s that? The glue patch guys you had on that would, like, fix anything, like sidewall slashes or whatever. Bring a repair kit.

>> Tony: They’re going to be coming back on, by the way, we should have an, uh, interview from them probably in January, uh, whenever it’s going to be, uh, published. But yeah, glue tread.

>> Speaker A: If you do a spare tire Delete, though, it’s the one place that you can wear a tramp stamp without being in trouble. I mean, you can get a little cover for your little spare tire delete. I don’t like it because you need a spare tire. Whether you’re on the road or off the road, you need access to a spare tire.

>> Tony: Yeah.

>> Speaker A: Now, if you do the Delete and you move it into the back of the Jeep because you want better departure.

>> Tony: Angle or something, or a more balanced, uh, weight, getting the weight off the end and moving it towards the center, jimmy did that, which, uh, that’s a neat modification. I don’t have a problem with it. That I mean, really, the only problem I have with it is you’re removing gear that you may need, uh, to, um, get out off the trail.

>> Speaker A: Of course, the argument is somebody with your group probably has a spare you can use, maybe the same size, but it’s BS. Most of the official trail things that we do, like Jeep Jamboree, Jeep Adventure Academy, are the requirement. Your Jeep has to have a spare.

>> Speaker C: Huh.

>> Tony: Tire interesting.

>> Speaker C: Is it required to be a matching tire?

>> Tony: Oh, yeah, I’ve seen that video. I mean, I’ve seen, uh, that meme, where the guy has the little space saver tire.

>> Speaker C: 37S on the Jeep and 32 on.

>> Tony: The oh, I think this one had like, 54s on it, and they had a space saver on the back. So I guess you can get so big on the tires that having a, uh, spare tire doesn’t make sense.

>> Speaker C: We actually got to experience that whole thing, uh, wasn’t because of I think it’s elite. It was the next jare tire on the back or whatever on it. Remember, was it the second event? Garrett got to share a tire with him because of, uh, the spare tire he brought. So it’s a good thing he had it. He didn’t need it, but someone else did.

>> Tony: Oh, did he do a trade spare tire for a shirt? Is that what happened? I can’t remember.

>> Speaker A: The guy didn’t have one of those.

>> Speaker C: To give out either.

>> Larry: Garrett, did you ever get that tire back? He drove it back to the trailer and swapped it back and gave it back to me.

>> Speaker C: There you go. Kevin from, uh, DFW I’ve never had a spare, and because I don’t get weeks at a time to go travel, I usually generally just do a weekend at some sort of park that’s within a couple hours. If we take a spare, we just leave it on the trailer and we’re within a park. So it’s not a big deal. It’s kind of wheeling you’re doing, like most things we talk about on here, because if you’re heading out on call it an overland trip or something like you’re heading long distance on there. I kind of feel like you definitely want to have one there.

>> Tony: And I’ll be clear on this, I say this very often. It’s whatever you want to do, whatever you’re happy with. You don’t have to do anything to your Jeep that you don’t think, uh, that people won’t like or give you a hard time about it. Uh, that’s one of the things that Jeepers do that you give everybody a hard time. I mean, it could be serious. It could be just, uh, kind of a probe to see if there’s a hot button issue that we can get you on. So if you don’t want to have a spare tire, that’s fine. I don’t like the idea that you’re depending on other people to provide a spare tire, but it’s going to happen, uh, occasionally.

>> Speaker C: Of intentionally injuring yourself. Well, I do carry a lot of plugs and a compressor. Like, I have a plan. Yeah, just not a spare. But with my tire will combo too. A spare is 150 pounds on the back of my Jeep. I was just about to go there. I was like, I think that if you can only, uh, say, afford at a time or whatever, to get four of the larger tires trying to shove the weight of a heavy duty 37 38 inch tire on a factory tire carrier on the back gate, because then that thing is just going to bounce down the highway eventually.

>> Speaker A: When I upgraded my tires and wheels on the YJ, I couldn’t on my factory tailgate carry it. But I had a Delete, I had no spare until I ordered the tire carrier to put on there. And it took time. I just spent all the money on tires and wheels. I’m like, I’m not going to ruin my Jeep that I’m building up to have this wheel or to have it on the rear. I’ll wait until I can afford that bumper and tire carrier that I did. And it’s time and it sweets her own. It is expensive doing every process to have it all there. A lot of people aren’t willing. We are, but a good bit are not.

>> Speaker C: Well, especially with like a short wheel base, a TJ a YJ or something like that. 150 pounds hanging off the back of the Jeep when you’re trying to go up a steeper incline can make a load of difference. M. Yeah. And it’s an overhanging big object to get caught, I think. I was watching some video came um, up. It was on one of the YouTube certified people where, um, they say to deflate your rear tire if you’re running it on the back. So if you come off of a ledge or you come off of something, you’re not trying to support the whole weight of your Jeep by that spare tire. So even when you run it, there’s things you can do to lessen that impact.

>> Tony: Right.

>> Speaker A: And if you let the air out of it weighs less.

>> Tony: Yes, very true. Yeah. I was going to say is there a place you can get helium? Because that way you could uh in.

>> Speaker A: The last year I’ve been offroading in two different situations where we had to have a spare. There was a gouge in the sidewall that if you’re really pounding out on rocks or you catch a branch and that guy would have been screwed. Both those guys would have been screwed without spares. One of them, we blew the bead off of one tire and he ruined the other tire.

Having a spare tire can make all the difference when changing tires

So we were changing two tires, trying to air one up and get it back on the bead. So being prepared, having plugs, having all those things is good. I’ve wheeled a TJ, I’ve wheeled a JK. Both two doors never caused me any problems. Having that spare hanging off the back and it’s a full size spare that matches the other. I just buy five tires at a time so that they’re all I try to rotate them, but not always. But I think it’s important to have the spare just, uh, to get you by. If you’re depending you leave it on your trailer back at the park. If you’re at a small park, no big deal. But if you’re at a huge park or you’re at the other end and you’ve taken several hours to get clear to the other end of the park and now you’ve got a spare that you’ve got to take several hours to get back to or make your buddies run back somehow, I don’t know.

>> Speaker C: Just think of the other advantage of having a spare tire. You’ll get 20% more uh uh, miles.

>> Speaker A: On your tire if you rotate them in on the if you rotate it in.

>> Tony: Yeah, that’s the other problem is rotation. Uh, because if you don’t rotate that.

>> Speaker C: Thing yeah, mine’s a trail rig. I’ve put 1000 miles on it in four years.

>> Larry: That’s a good week of driving.

>> Speaker C: Don’t get me wrong. My daily I drive 35,000 miles a year. Grace I got 1000 miles in by the midday Tuesday.

>> Tony: That’s a lot of podcast listening trucks don’t count.

>> Speaker C: I think eventually rick from Arkansas eventually when I go to a big enough tires for that little TJ that I’ll get to a place to where I’ll probably keep the tire on the trailer. Unless I am like you’re talking about an overland type situation. But I plan on having it where I can either carry it if I want to or if we’re in a park, I can drop it off there on the trailer. Just depends on what I got going on.

>> Larry: Larry from St. Louis. Okay, rick. What is big enough.

>> Speaker C: For Rick? It’s floating tires.

>> Larry: Is a 35 big enough tire?

>> Speaker C: No, eventually I’ll be on tons and 40s in a TJ. On the TJ it’ll be stretched to 115 inch bolt base.

>> Tony: Okay, this is interesting. I actually thought that we might want to do a roundtable episode, uh, just for the folks out there that are, uh, really looking forward to 39. Just what all has to be done to the various Jeeps to be able to run forty s. And I don’t mean, uh, drive down the road, I mean taking it off road, because that’s the reason why you do that stuff, at least to me. I mean, you could do it for whatever reason you want to do it, of course, but, uh, people need to understand what all the subtle nuances are, all the little things that you got to change. So, uh, if you guys think that might be a good, uh, conversation to have, we can do it.

>> Speaker C: Sure.

>> Speaker A: I mean, it’s interesting, uh, whether you’re going to whatever, even going to 35, uh, depends on your lift. And there’s so many aspects that they think, okay, I buy the big tires, I buy the big lift, and I’m good. And depending on what you’re doing, it impacts so many other issues. So it would be an interesting one. Tony? Yeah, I think so.

>> Tony: Yeah. And it’s different for every Jeep out there. I mean, TJ is going to be radically different than a modern day Wrangler or Gladiator. Uh uh, they’re just built differently.

>> Speaker C: You even have some of us that have gone that route so far and kind of go through what we did to prepare for.

>> Tony: You guys are the ones that will bring earlier. Yeah, you guys will be bringing the pain. This is the pain of the learning part.

>> Larry: Put the 40s on a wife to self destruct.

>> Tony: Yeah. Just kind of get it to fit in that fender hole and I’ll be okay.

>> Speaker C: I’ve still got 37s on my Dana 30. It ain’t exploded yet. And 35, but, hey, just put a GoPro under there for us. But you’re doing okay because you’re not running a spare tire. It’s all that weight.

>> Tony: So you’re saying there’s a chance it might blow up someday.

>> Speaker C: When you don’t make no power, it’s.

>> Larry: Harder to break anything.

Have you purchased upgrades that are now orphaned, stored in your attic

>> Tony: All right, let’s move to this next one. Uh, this is a good one. And, uh, let’s see how many people actually, uh, own up to this, because I know this is part, uh, embarrassment. What upgrades have you bought? Have you purchased that are now orphaned, stored in your attic? And please let me know, uh, uh, if they were actually installed and then taken off, or they just never got put on. So make sure you let me know. Which one of those is it? Is it used and then taken off, or, uh, just, like, never got around to installing it. Now it just lives in the attic.

>> Speaker C: Steve O from Chicago. The red fire stick, the red sunshade, the red grab handles all went on. Looked like crap, took them off.

>> Tony: OOH red Jeeps are sexy.

>> Speaker C: You’re waiting for that.

>> Larry: Everything that made my Jeep a Sport S is now in my attic.

>> Tony: Yeah, I got a lot of parts that I’ve taken off the Gladiator.

>> Speaker A: I’m trying to think of parts, not new parts, but I love to shop. Used to be Craigslist, now marketplace. But I’d find a spare set of tires or wheels or um, I bought a soft top for my wife’s JKU that we never put on it. It was a used one. I got a decent deal on, you know, I’ll buy parts and things. I’ve bought some skid plates for the diffs for my TJ that never made them on. They’re, they’re laying out in the weeds right now somewhere. So there’s parts that I acquire thinking, hey, that’d be nice to have someday. And usually it’s a deal. I don’t know that I feel terrible about it, but I haven’t gone out yet is a key word. Bought something that I spent bigger money on and then never, uh, did, uh.

>> Speaker C: I hear Chip say he had some.

>> Speaker A: Skid plates for do I, do they’re Boltons? I would love to get rid of them because I’m not ever planning to use them. I ever meet you up at an event, I’ll throw them in the back of the truck.

>> Speaker C: I haven’t abandoned it, but I’ve had a set of one ton axles out behind the shop for three years.

>> Tony: I think that’s abandoned, um, pretty much anywhere in the country. Any, um, municipality would say that that property has been abandoned three years.

>> Speaker C: They can’t see it, it doesn’t count. But, uh, it’s behind the shop.

>> Tony: That’s just in case. I mean, everybody needs spare axles, right Larry?

>> Speaker C: That 14 bolts abandoned.

>> Larry: But does it have to actually be installed, be considered abandoned?

>> Speaker C: I would say no.

>> Larry: So Garrett, Kansas I have a set of axles. They’re not abandoned, but I’m just waiting on the right time to put them in the DJ. I have a set of TJ MOABs that I had for my TJ whenever I bought it that I took off and am waiting till I buy a comanche to put them on. And then I have a set of DIY bead locks that I put on my TJ when I had my thirty five s first could never get balanced, so I just ended up taking them back off. I have, um, them sitting around and a bunch of wheels from a TJ and then some tires.

>> Speaker C: I’m waiting for you to say a spare TJ.

>> Tony: Where the hell is Henderson? Henderson would have a large list of things that he’s bought and uh, laying out the it’s, it’s, uh, customer stuff, but still.

>> Speaker A: Engines that he could drop into an LJ if he come across an LJ or something. He had stroker and all kinds of different but that’s his job, right? And I’ve accumulated a bunch of parts, TJ parts. Not many TJ’s parts left, but someday I’ll use them. Maybe if not what I paid for them. I can get my money back out of pretty easy.

>> Tony: Oh, I know one person that has, uh, uh, some Jeep parts that aren’t in the attic, aren’t in the weeds in the yard. It’s actually, uh, in his office. Uh, Chuck. Yeah. That poor skull of a Jeep that he sits behind.

>> Speaker C: Well, that wasn’t abandoned. That was just repurposed. Yeah, I got them cheap enough that it’s not that big of a deal if they’re sitting back there.

>> Speaker A: Is it abandoned? If you collected a bunch of Jeep grills and, I mean, he was talking.

>> Tony: About on his that’s right.

>> Speaker A: 46 or what was no, that he hung it up on the wall and.

>> Tony: Then his son went and got it.

>> Speaker A: I like that, uh, if you’ve got spare parts sitting around, I mean, there’s always somebody saying, hey, I need another 35 inch tire till I go buy a new one. I blew mine out. And if you got a set sitting around, if they’re not rotted or anything, I’ve got base in a barn. I can throw stuff like that. Mhm my wife would I’m glad she’s not here. I’m at a hotel tonight because she’d be like, get rid of that stuff.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, she’s going to see who’s with you.

>> Tony: As soon as you said about, uh, those plates laying the weeds, you go, yeah, you said you were going to clean that up and when are you going to move that? And honey, it’s doing okay. It’s not bothering anybody. It’s bothering me.

>> Speaker A: Not bothering anybody.

>> Tony: So I guess nobody, uh, has purchased something, uh, from, uh, a shady company or a not well built part that, uh, you bought and then later you figured out that this was crap and you just weren’t going to continue running it or, uh, you weren’t going to put it on. Nobody has any of those, right?

>> Speaker A: Oh, I’ve got a dozen set of lights. I mean, uh, more than a dozen sets of lights that I went in the cheaper direction, and I didn’t go stupid expensive, but I’ve definitely upgraded a lot of lights for the YJ. The YJ is sitting for two years now without a transmission. But the lights are the one item that I’ve, uh, purchased, and I’m like, yeah, these aren’t going to get it. I’ve got to replace you need to.

>> Tony: Get all those things on the YJ. Just fill that thing up with lights. Be a good, uh, video.

>> Speaker A: That’s what is done. That is how it is. But I just kept upgrading and making them better and better.

Tony: I have actually lost some items by misplacing them

>> Tony: I guess I forgot that you shared the sickness with me about lights. I love lights.

>> Speaker C: Yeah. I love half a dozen pods sitting around that went bad, but they were cheap. O, Amazon pods that you got a pair for $20, they’d still last two or three years.

>> Speaker A: Mhm Tony, does it count if I bought parts and I ordered them and they arrived, and a few months later, I finally was going to get around to using them and I couldn’t find them, so I had to reorder the.

>> Tony: Oh, I hate when that happens, when you forget that you’ve already ordered it.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, I’ve got, like, three bullet point mounts like that just sitting around the house because it was like, where’d it go?

>> Tony: I saw a, uh, shotgun scabber, uh, that I was I think I’m saying that right. Uh, I saw a shotgun scabber and oh, you know what? That would be really great to have, uh, for my, uh, KSG, because it’d be nice and short, and it probably would fit in there perfectly. And, uh, I thought about ordering it. Went online and went to order it from Amazon, found a nice one, and, uh, it said, uh, purchased, uh, in blah, blah, blah, blah blah. And I went, oh, I’ve got it. And then I went and looked and found it and slid the KSG right in it. So it’s the same taste it was a couple of years ago.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, exactly like the same thing.

>> Speaker C: You didn’t say we were talking about guns, Tony.

>> Tony: We’re not KSG. It’s a, uh, men’s warehouse where you can get suits.

>> Speaker C: Is that what it oh? Because I have actually lost some of those items by misplacing them and bought them again, not realizing I already owned them.

>> Tony: So what you’re saying is you lost them in a boating accident. Is that what I’m hearing?

>> Speaker C: I’m saying I may have stuck some in a cabinet one day and forgot that they were there.

>> Tony: Oh, that’s cool. That’s a great.

>> Speaker C: Like what is this? Oh, shit, I own that.

>> Tony: Oh, this is nice.

>> Speaker C: But I do have a cheap one. Uh, I bought the Velcro roll bar grab handles from Schmidtie belt, and I put them on, hit the drive on them, and I did not like the way it hung to be useful. It was right next to my head, and I didn’t like that, so took it down and, uh, gave them away.

>> Tony: Yeah. I’ll remind everybody, my, uh, youngest daughter, uh, had a set of those, uh, grab handles on her 2001, and, uh, it literally came apart on her while she was, uh, letting herself down out of the Jeep. I’m not going to have any Velcro handles and Jeeps, uh, for anybody in the family.

>> Speaker C: Now, I think I’ve got about four of, uh, those antenna adapters that goes from the new radio to the old style antenna. I’ve got about four of them somewhere. I have to keep ordering because I.

>> Tony: Can’T remember where I put them until they get you. If it’s cheap enough, it’s like, uh, this is just easier just to order a new one than look for it.

>> Larry: I’ve got a CB. CB win because you had to have one on the trail was required. How long it ever got used, was on the highway in bad weather.

>> Tony: How long. Ago. Was it necessary to have that for the trail?

>> Larry: I’ve never used that was an 18. Couple of trails I went on for the meets. They’re like, you got to have a CB. And I show up and ain’t nobody using MCB. Everybody’s using GMRS.

>> Speaker C: Really? That’s interesting.

>> Speaker A: I went on a caravan just through the country, going through covered bridges a couple of weeks ago, and we pull up, and there’s a dozen Jeeps. And I’m like, okay, what channel of GMRS will be running on? And everybody looks at each other and said, oh, we need our radios. I didn’t bring mine. I left them at, uh, oh, what’s a GMRS? And so nobody except for me had radios. So I had four. So I kept one and shared the other three. And people appreciated having it so we could communicate so on the same frequency. Yeah, we did. I figured it out.

>> Tony: So, Chip, um, i, uh, would recommend it’d be really good, so get you a set of semaphore flags and say, okay, well, let’s just use and just hand them the flags and, uh, maybe a cheat sheet, and the next time they’ll bring it to amradio.

What upgrades have you bought that are orphaned or stored in your attic

All right, so, uh, last call. What upgrades have you bought that are now orphaned or stored in your attic?

>> Speaker C: Sold on Facebook marketplace. Uh, I did buy an Evo rear bumper delete kit when I, uh, was first trying to get my rear departure angle where I wanted it and everything, and ended up getting rid of that after, like, two or three trail runs. Kind of how exposed it made, the rear tub. Um, so I pulled that thing off pretty quick and ended up selling on Facebook Marketplace.

>> Tony: How much of the money did you get back? What percentage of the money did you get back? 80% or 50%, maybe 30%. Oh, wow.

>> Speaker C: It was almost a $400 item because it came with, uh, the hooks that go inside the frame, horns for recovery points. Came with all the good stuff. It’s good quality product. It wasn’t for what I wanted to do eventually. So that’s when I went to that frame shop, motobuilt rear bumper instead. Um, which I like a lot better. But yeah, I think I got $100 for it on Facebook Marketplace.

>> Tony: Well, at least it’s not, uh, laying in your backyard or anything.

>> Speaker C: I have frustrated myself several times by buying just, like, a stock replacement, something, just because whatever was going out and then seemed like not very long after I did that, I ended up upgrading the thing. So I had a almost brand new part that got replaced by an upgrade, and then I kind of kicked myself later, so why don’t I just buy the upgrade in the first place?

>> Tony: Yeah, well, that happens a lot. I don’t think it’s just Jeeps, but that happens a lot. Where you buy something and you didn’t consider just an upgrade, uh uh, that you wind up needing it. Sometimes you’re just not there yet. You don’t understand that. You don’t think you’ll need it. Maybe you don’t even understand what it does or why you should spend that much more money for something that you can, uh, get that’s just a stock replacement. Um, yeah, there’s various reasons, but, uh, of course you can always look at it as you got a spare. You don’t have a great spare, but you do have a spare and sometimes.

>> Speaker C: You need that item right now.

>> Tony: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: That’S pretty much where he’s running into mhm. That’s what I’m up against while I’m doing the repair stuff on the rear axle and everything from last several wheeling trips and everything. And uh, I know in March I’m swapping the whole rear axle out but still need to go through the process of getting it repaired so I can try to recoup money and sell it or whatever.

>> Tony: I was just going to say, uh, depending on what you can get for it. I mean, it’s still the nice axle. It’s not, uh, as beefy as what you’re putting on there.

Which one’s more important to you when making upgrades: quality or customer service

All right, let’s jump to this one. Uh, are you a brand whore? Uh, is there a specific brand that, uh, is your go to company, uh, go to brand, uh, when making upgrades?

>> Speaker C: I wouldn’t say I’m brand specific, but if I have a good experience, I will go back to that brand.

>> Tony: And when you say good experience, you mean the quality of the item or customer service or yes, yes. Which one’s more important?

>> Speaker C: Customer, uh, service. Like everybody’s going to have something off, but how that company handles it when there is an issue speaks way more volumes than the initial problem.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, I don’t know. I see that side of it, right. That customer service is important if they take care of you. But to me, the quality of the item, you may have outstanding customer service and have really shitty parts and I’m not going to go back to the company that their parts aren’t durable. For me, the favorite thing, I’ve got brands that I love. Um, I’ll probably take a look at Terraflex stuff before I look at something else. But not to say that I wouldn’t buy somebody else. I bought steersmart instead for the draglink and tie rods. And I’ll choose a part based on how well it performs and how durable it is and if it’s going to do what I need it to do. And there’s certain brands I’ll probably lean towards and there’s other brands that I’ll definitely lean away from. So it really depends.

Tony says he sticks to one brand when choosing parts for his Jeep

>> Tony: So what do you guys think when you hear Teraflex, the name of the company, Teraflex what parts immediately comes to mind, what area of their, uh, offering suspension?

>> Speaker A: Suspension initially. Ah.

>> Speaker C: And steering.

>> Tony: Yeah. It shocks for me, and that might be because of, uh, what Larry went through. Uh, not necessarily a negative thing. I mean, it was negative what he went through, but, uh, they took care of him and all that stuff and things. I’m not, I’m not beating up on him, but I think that’s the thing that stands out in my mind the most is because of, uh, what Larry went through with his, uh, one failed shock.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Larry: And at its core, that’s where I kind of judge a company. Anybody can be doing good when there’s no issues, but once there’s an issue and they buck up and get behind it, well, that, to me, that’s kind of the mark of the company.

>> Speaker C: I think some of the sticking with the same brand can come from just they work better together. So you may have a couple of parts that are kind of similar in nature, but if you’re already running a specific brand’s parts, then you know, that a lot easier, um, especially when it comes to warranty claims and stuff like that. So you don’t get into that pointing at the other vendor’s product or something like that back and forth when you’re running through it. So myself, I have a lot of moto built stuff. Um, on the jeep, I’ve got the sliders, the fenders, the rear bumper, and all that stuff, because I really like the sliders. And then the fenders seem to look the best and flow with it very well because they were all from the same company and kind of had the same designs and everything else. Uh, but at the same time, I’ve got metal cloak, suspension, and fox shocks. I don’t stick with one brand exclusively, but if I get started in an area on the jeep, like the armor or the suspension or something like that, I try to stick to the same brand in that area of that system.

>> Tony: Right.

>> Speaker A: I mean, it’s a little OCD, right. If I got started, if I have a front bumper, I probably want to match the back bumper. I want to probably take a look if they have rock rails or other armor, and yet, just because they make one part good, they may not make all the parts good. So that’s a little frustrating for me because I’d rather have it all match and be exactly the same and everything but functionalities overruled that.

>> Speaker C: I think with Fitment, you have to know what fits together, especially with armor. Because, like, uh, on my brother in law’s TJ, he’s got, um, poison spider sliders, and then he ordered some TNT rear armor, and they’re a solid inch off where the sliders and the armor come together. And just looking at them, you wouldn’t notice it until you go to try to mount it. You know, that’s an issue we’ve come across. But at the same, like, I call my jeep the cheap jeep, I’ve got, uh, ebay armor that literally comes out of the same factory as spider track or poison spider, and it fits perfect.

>> Tony: Yeah. You do not have to spend top dollar, uh, to have, ah, a well built Jeep. Now, it depends on all what you’re doing with it. It may show up in some very extreme situations. At least that’s my feeling. Um, um, I do not have, uh, um, data to support that. That’s just my opinion. And certainly if you’re never taking an off road, why do you need to spend that much money for something that doesn’t have to hold up? Uh, in, uh, an off road situation.

>> Speaker C: Uh, there’s some areas you want to spend the money, though. I think you can cheap out in some areas, but I think there’s some areas you want to go ahead and spend the money to get the well known item.

>> Speaker A: And also know, you talked about holding up even if you’re not off roading. Tony but a good quality part sometimes has a better paint or a better, more durable surface so that you buy the cheap part even if you’re not going off road. It could rest quicker, the finish could deteriorate faster. So a lot of times you have to watch that, right. Talk to other people and find out what’s worked for them and listen to the Jeep talk show to get ideas, right.

>> Tony: That man knows what he’s doing.

>> Speaker C: Yes and no. But when you get into some of.

>> Speaker A: The high dollar bumpers and different parts, a lot of those are bare metal is how you’re receiving them. Tony’s received a lot like that. I personally received a lot like that.

>> Tony: That’s my preference.

>> Speaker A: So you’re getting a bare metal and then you’re going to color match and do that yourselves. Whereas a lot of the cheaper the the know, bumpers and fenders and they are painted, you know, a powder coat or a paint. But you’ve got to take that into consideration as well. Not that one’s better, worse. But I prefer bare metal and finish it myself.

>> Speaker C: As do I. And then I use a rattle can bedliner. And that way when it does get beat up and scratched, you just hit it with the rattle can again.

>> Tony: Yeah, exactly.

>> Larry: I think the other part, too, is if you have a theme or kind of a system in mind that you want to build towards sometimes, if that’s where you’re going, you’re trying to piece it together from all the different vendors that can cause yourself a fair amount of heartache. Because while all the vendors might have good stuff, they may or may not interact well with each other.

Is there a brand that you will not purchase based on personal experience

>> Tony: So let me ask this question. This is, uh, uh, an extra credit question. Is there a brand that you will not purchase? And was it, uh, based on what you’ve heard from the public, uh, or personal, uh, experience?

>> Speaker C: DV eight I’ve seen a few DVA bumpers, uh, in person, and every single one I’ve ever seen was Corroded rusted. One of them was digging into the body because it bent. Um, granted, any of them could do that. It seemed like it was really poor. Some of the welds were like, I might have done them. They were really clogged up. It wasn’t like a nice bead or whatever in some areas. So out of all of I think DV Eight is the only one that I’ve personally seen where I’ve been. Like, I don’t think I trust anything coming out of that.

>> Tony: Are you saying Delta, uh, Victor Eight?

>> Speaker C: Yes. Uh, delta victor.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Tony: It sounded like d Delta delta. So I just want to make sure that people listening know which one you’re talking about. And of course, this is just our opinions. It’s, uh, not, uh, a, uh, pass fail on these things. It’s just opinions.

>> Speaker A: Well, DV Eight, I see a lot of those more on street Jeeps than I do on off road Jeeps. They do a lot of kind of good looking parts. But if you’re I don’t know about the finish as much. I just tend to see not many people off road with the DV Eight equipment. I’m sure there’s exceptions, but Smittybilt is one that depends on what it is.

>> Tony: Smittybilt.

>> Speaker A: I was just going to chime in.

>> Speaker C: With you on that one, Chip. Smittybuild. Absolutely. It’s a hit or miss. And what it is, their bumpers are crap. Right. I’ve got their HD tire carrier reinforcement for the tailgate, which is incredible. It’s rock solid. Right. I’ve got a Smitty Winch, works great, but their bumpers are just not anything I would put on my Jeep. You guys are saying it wrong. It’s shitty built. I have a few brands that I just don’t care for because they’re on everything. Kind of like the deviate interfitter wells. I see them on every JK and JL around here. Um, raceline wheels. They make a great product. I don’t want them, but they’re on everything, and that’s why I don’t want them. Nobody’s mentioned rough country yet.

>> Larry: I was going to say rough country.

>> Speaker C: For everyone to stay with it. Yeah, that’s the thing around here. All the pickup trucks with the rough country big stickers across the windows.

>> Tony: So that surprises me a lot. Um, so how do you guys I can tell you I have no personal experience. I have no reason to dislike Rusty’s. But just in my heart, I just can’t bring, uh, myself to look at or purchase anything from, uh, Rusty’s off road. And I think it’s from several posts that I saw on forums, which is not evidence. It’s just hearsay.

>> Speaker C: Yeah, I’ve heard that. Either people really like it or they really don’t.

>> Speaker A: Exactly. What I was going to say, Steve, was that I’ve talked to people that are like, rusty’s did my complete suspension, and I love it. It’s great parts. It’s worked beautifully. They pound the hell out of it. And I’ve had other people say, do not buy it, it’s not any good. So I don’t know.

>> Tony: M I’m under the camp of do not buy it, it’s not any good. But that’s just my feeling, and I know this is what hurts companies, is that one thing comes out as far as it’s a hearsay, it’s not a direct, uh, correlation. There’s no direct. The person talking is just talking. So I try to, uh, make sure that I don’t say anything negative about rusty’s because I have no specific evidence for it.

>> Speaker C: Oh, and to clarify, I’ve no experience, zero experience with rusty’s. I’ve just heard that from different camps. It’s the one I’ve seen the most contrasted opinions on.

>> Tony: Yeah. And this is one of the reasons why, uh, I don’t talk bad about rough country. Rough country has issues. Their shocks were usually, uh, crap. Although the shocks I had on the XJ ran for many years just fine. Uh, but I know their shock quality has gone up and down, and I bent, uh, one of their heavy duty track bars and got that thing off there as soon as the replacement came. Uh, uh, mean, I don’t buy rusty’s now, but way back when, when I was first modifying the XJ, and, uh, I was having problems affording stuff, uh, rough country was the only way I could go, and it did fine, uh, and it even worked, uh, off road. But it’s not the same level of, um, stoutness. I guess I should say that I would expect for things on the gladiator or even on the XJ now.

>> Speaker A: But isn’t that true, tony, where you’ve got people that you’ve got a company that you counted on ten years ago, you bought some great parts from them, um, they were top of the line, and then they get bought out by another company.

>> Tony: I hate that.

>> Speaker A: And then the quality goes down. So you’re buying it because you had great experience with a previous product from that company, but now that company doesn’t make it to the same level of standard, or they’ve just gotten so big that they aren’t focused as much.

>> Tony: Well, actually, that’s a really good point. And this is one of the reasons why I like motorbuilt. It’s owned by a guy, he loves jeeping, he loves beating the hell out of stuff, and he has a certain level of commitment. Uh, and, uh, uh, tony at genrite, uh, off road, I mean, there’s another situation where, uh, tony owns that stuff and he goes over and works on his own parts. And then sometimes he says, hey, guys, look at this. What do you think about this as a product? I love those companies. It’s the guy that started it.

I never had an optima battery last longer than six months

The guy that, uh, runs it gets, uh, it and it’s not that situation you’re talking about. They got bought out, and now, uh, uh, who knows what they’re making.

>> Speaker C: That reminds me, I will never put an optima battery in anything I own, ever.

>> Tony: You and me both. I had too many failures, quick failures.

>> Speaker C: When I sold them. I never had one last longer than six months.

>> Tony: Oh, thank god, I had more a couple of years, but, man, not what I was anticipating, but not the life I was anticipating. And you have to pay extra for it.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

YouTube guy tested all those batteries and came out on top

Tony, I think you brought up that one guy in one of the shows about the guy on YouTube that tests all the parts. Uh, something Farmer or something, I forget what’s he called. Farmer, uh, project farm.

>> Tony: What is project?

>> Speaker C: Yeah, he tested all those batteries, uh, I think, if I remember right, the Walmart battery, uh, and the O’Reilly’s battery turned out to be the two best performers out of all the batteries, which surprised him and me. Yeah.

>> Tony: Uh, I think he’s often surprised by the way, uh, chris reached out to him about doing an interview on the show. Uh, he actually did one on, uh, the, uh, elastic or not really elastic ropes, but the toe ropes that will give and give a little extra pull. And, uh, I thought it was what is it? Kinetic?

>> Speaker C: Yes.

>> Tony: It was a real interesting test, uh, that he did. And, uh, buba rope came up on top. Came out on top. I think I actually posted that video in the discord server.

>> Speaker C: Yeah.

>> Tony: Um, that was really good. I thought, hey, let’s get this guy on. And he answered back very quickly, but he was too busy, uh, uh, to do the interview. I was looking forward to talking to that guy. That would have been a lot of fun.

On the battery things, there’s three manufacturers for all batteries. They all come out of one of three facilities

>> Speaker C: On the battery things, there’s three manufacturers for all batteries. They all come out of one of three facilities and they just get relabeled. So what I tell people, and I say this because I sold batteries for years, is wherever it’s easiest for you to get one warrantied so that when it does fail, it’s easy to get swapped out. That’s where you buy it.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, but saying that Kevin and I don’t know, you were in the battery business, but I’m a manufacturer. Uh, um, well, let’s just take washing machines as an example.

>> Tony: I’m sorry, did you say washing?

>> Speaker C: Washing, Larry.

>> Speaker A: And I say washing. What’s wrong with that?

>> Speaker C: That’s a technical term. There’s, uh, an R in there. Just look harder.

>> Speaker A: My dad caught grief for that for years, and I do it in remembrance of my washing machine. But, uh, maytag whirlpool they made Sears, they made other ones, and they mailed them the spec. Right. And so even if they’re all made in three main factories, there could be different specs, different quality, different care going into the manufacturing demand. So I don’t always say, well, if they’re all made in three different places, they’ve all got to be the same. I don’t know that I agree with that.

>> Tony: I’ve heard that about coils, the coal springs that they’re only manufactured. And there’s a very few manufacturers. So one, uh, company’s, coil, is not going to be radically different from another, uh, coil. And really, what you’re spending, I can’t.

>> Speaker C: Speak for today, but I can tell you, like, around 2000 ish. Almost all coils in the US. Were made by Ibok. It didn’t matter who sold them, but.

>> Speaker A: Did they use different steel and different stock when they made them?

>> Speaker C: They would make them to different specifications for different companies. Sure. But they were all manufactured by Ibok. Okay.

>> Tony: All right, so there might be a reason for paying more for one coil spring over another. All right, so let’s get just like.

>> Speaker C: Buying something that’s made in China. Just because it’s made in China doesn’t mean it’s garbage, necessarily. You can have something built to a certain specification in China.

>> Tony: Yeah, but did they do it to the specification is often the question. Um, and potential problem.

How do you compensate for the embarrassment of owning a red Jeep

Okay, I got to get to this question, because Rick is going to have, uh, a, uh, connection if I don’t. How do you compensate for the embarrassment of owning a red Jeep? Now, this is a great Bob question, if you bob still with us. I know. Oh, and, uh, do you?

>> Speaker C: Yeah. And Bill compensates by putting his right foot down and letting that hemi it.

>> Larry: Always could be just go out buying gray Jeep.

>> Speaker A: Tony, I am a red jeep owner, but when I bought it, I didn’t buy it because it was red. I bought it because it had the options and features and was the price point that it was what I wanted. But I never intended to buy a red Jeep because I always thought people that bought red Jeeps were trying to show off more or be out there more.

>> Tony: What’s wrong with that?

>> Speaker A: It’s a color.

>> Tony: They at least should be bright colors because they’re exciting and you want to be seen. It’s a Jeep. Damn it.

>> Speaker C: But ego.

>> Speaker A: The red Jeep has really helped me, though, when trail guiding, because in the woods, people will see it versus if I had a dark Jeep, they might not see it as readily on the trail. So if I’m actually leading, they look for a red Jeep. Well, if you’re leading right, you shouldn’t.

>> Speaker C: Leave them so far behind that they need to find the red Jeep.

>> Tony: It’s, um, sometimes hard to keep up with the red Jeeps.

>> Speaker C: If you can’t see your view mirror, you’re supposed to stop chip. Keep going.

>> Speaker A: Well, I do, but we did get separated one time. Okay. So I had half my group with me. We were crossing a little road thing, and the other half thought they saw a red jeep up on top of a dune about a half mile away, and they took off that direction, and I had gone the opposite direction. They just weren’t watching. It happens.

>> Speaker C: So the red jeep wasn’t a benefit to your leading at that point in time.

>> Tony: Squirrel.

>> Speaker C: Squirrel.

>> Tony: Uh, so how many people wish you had a red Jeep? Larry?

>> Larry: That’s why I bought a black Jeep.

>> Speaker C: Once you go black, I’m going to be perfectly honest with you, Tony. Red was on my was I did not want white, I did not want black, and I did not want gray because that’s what everybody has around here. I really would like the green, but.

>> Speaker A: Sarge green was not at the time.

>> Speaker C: And then I just fell in love with the blue with the tan interior. But red was a consideration for me. Mhm my TJ was orange. And then I did the uh, not rhino liner, but uh, the tenable bedliner and changed it to uh it was supposed to be that metallic blue that TJ’s came out with, but it ended up quite a bit darker.

>> Larry: Yeah, I had options of colors, which was one there’s the only manual they had, which was the black Jeep.

>> Tony: Did you guys see the carjacking, uh uh, where these two carjackers pulled a guy out of uh, his vehicle, his car and they jumped in, uh, and uh, they got in, they were in there maybe 5 seconds before they abandoned the vehicle. Because it was a manual transmission, you.

>> Larry: Can say they had the third pedal.

>> Tony: Uh, anti theft device, the millennial antitheft device. That was funny. I mean, they were just boom. Like, oh, hell no, let’s get the.

>> Larry: Hell out of hey, I’m a millennial and I can drive a manual.

>> Tony: Yeah, anybody can. All they have to do is do it.

>> Speaker C: Millennials are getting into their forty s now. I turned 40 yesterday. It’s ridiculous. Maybe it’s a Gen Z or gen Alpha. Uh, can we get on that bandwagon?

>> Tony: Yeah.

>> Speaker C: I taught all three of my kids to ride motorcycles and to drive, uh, manual transmissions. Thought it was important for them to know.

>> Speaker A: And zero turn mowers.

>> Tony: Ah, I’d like to have one of those.

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