Episode 1009 – Patrick Bawarrion.com
Introduction to Bawarrion
Patrick has been involved in Jeep world with his ORZ company for 28 years now. 11 years ago he launched his own brand Bawarrion to develop his own Jeep Parts, because in his opinion, stuff on the market just wasn´t good enough. Bawarrion is now one of the strongest players in Europe and is currently introducing its revolutionary 4,5″ suspension, super-strong alloy wheels and more to the American market.
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Hi, boys and girls, it’s time for the Jeep Talk Show interview. And tonight we’re going to be talking with Patrick. Patrick, you’re going to have to pronounce the name of the business for me at least once.
Yeah, I’m Patrick from the company OZ in Germany, in Munich. And now we are also located in the States.
The company OZ and we have our own brand. – That’s what I couldn’t, that’s what I had. I have a guess, but I’m sure it was wrong. So Patrick has been involved in the Jeep world with the QRZ company for 28 years. Now you don’t look like you’re even 28 years old. 11 years ago, he launched his own brand, Borrowarian, I think I got it right, to develop his own Jeep parts. Because in his opinion, stuff on the market just wasn’t good enough. So many people that I’ve talked to here started companies exactly for that reason, is because the stuff that was available, they thought was better. And now they’re doing very well because of it. So I think you’re on the right track. Borrowarian is one of the strongest players in Europe and currently introducing its revolutionary 4.5 inch suspension, super strong alloy wheels. It’s going to be one of those days. And more to the American market. Patrick, thank you a lot for being here. Now, if you can’t tell from Patrick’s accent already, he’s in Munich. So this is a company in Europe. This goes to show you that the internet really is worldwide. Patrick, thanks for being here today.
– Yeah, we are located in Munich and the parts what we do, they’re developed not just from Germans, it’s also a combination with the Germans and with Americans. So our engineer is actually an American guy.
Well, our goal is for every product we build is our goal that we have the best what you can get. So the strongest or the best or however depends on what we build.
The first one we began was wheels. The problem with wheels is to get it to, you know what tooth is?
So it’s a company in Europe and they allow you to use the parts what you want to use on the street. So they make it bigger. So you’re allowed to change any part on your cheap without their allowance. So you get a document that allows you to use another kind of wheels or bigger tires or suspension here or bumper front or rear bumper tire carrier and so on. You have to get an allowance from the TOV.
And on the one side, it’s a bad thing because you cannot do what you want. On the other side, it’s pretty good because in this way, if you get allowance, then you have something what you’re really allowed to use. So if you compare it to most areas of in America, you can do something on your car. But if you use it and there’s an accident, then it’s pretty strange to come out. And yeah, that’s different what we have in Europe.
If you are allowed to use something, then you are officially allowed. But therefore, you have to get some tests. So for wheels, for example, you have to say what is the maximum tire and that makes them tire. They make the tests. And if everything is OK, then you get allowance. This isn’t on a case by case basis, right? I mean, if you if you develop a wheel and the TUV, I think you said, if they approve it, then the customer doesn’t have to go through that. It’s already TUV approved and they can put it on their vehicle. Is that correct?
Okay, good. So at least it doesn’t have to be done because I was mentioning before we started, I think it’s Australia where they they make you have an engineer go through the process for your specific vehicle. And that’s that’s a pain in the ass. Nobody’s got time for that. So at least this puts the onus back on the company that’s selling the product. And then once it’s approved, it’s kind of like DOT approved here in the States. So if it’s the Department of Transportation approved, then you’re OK. Now, we don’t always use DOT approved stuff on our jeeps on the road, but there you go.
Yeah, but you are, for example, you’re not allowed to use a beatlock wheels on the street. There’s an argument. There’s an argument about that. Oh, that’s interesting. I didn’t realize that. So the TUV actually approved beatlocks. That’s interesting.
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, we tested it. So we what we did is we tested our wheels. We have standard wheels and we have all the beatlock wheels and we tested our beatlock wheels in combination with 39 inch tires.
And so we are officially allowed using 39 inch tires on a beatlock wheel on the street. That’s right. And it’s a big difference to.
Yeah. Well, here in Texas, I think that the limitation is your headlights can’t be over 54 inches high. And there’s a limit on how low you can go to. So you can run some pretty big vehicles here in Texas.
But no, that’s great. And this is this is brand new news to me. I had no idea. And I don’t know if it’s right or not, but I think at least my standpoint, as far as I think of Germany, I think of things being very strict. And it amazes me to hear that you guys can use beatlock tires and 30, I mean, beatlock wheels and 39 inch tires. That’s really cool. And you shouldn’t compare it to Texas because Texas is very special, but you can compare it to California. Oh, God. So would they allow to do in California? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, but I have to compare it to Texas. I’m a Texan.
So, but yeah, no, but I mean, it’s great. I mean, that’s great that you guys can do that because that’s the kind of freedom that we see here in Texas. So now you guys started out with wheels, right? And oh, I know I was going to ask you. So the beatlocks, one of the problems with the beatlocks is keeping all those bolts tight. Did the TV have you do something or did you guys design something so that you don’t have to always constantly check to make sure those bolts are tight?
Well, we have an installation instruction that says that you have to approve the bolts every year at one time.
But honestly, we don’t have any issues with our bolts.
It’s our own brand, what we have. So all the beatlocks, we don’t use any existing wheel. It’s our own wheel, what would be developed and a bit pretty good. Now, I can hear people screaming at me. They’re saying, “Oh, well, these are fake beatlocks. They’re faux beatlocks. These are actual honest to goodness beatlocks over the outside of the wheel, the locking ring holding the bead.
It’s one beatlock ring, so not on both sides, it’s just on the outside.
But we use 20 millimeters, so almost one inch thick beatlock ring and with 24 screws.
Or bolts.
That’s very nice. That’s really cool. So let me ask you something. The thing that’s always concerned me about being a wheel manufacturer, I mean, if I was going to do something like that, I’d be very nervous at how, because you see sometimes there’s not a lot of metal there. And I know there’s science and physics and stuff you got to figure out, but it’s got to be very interesting from a liability standpoint that you make a wheel that’s going to stay together and not break because that’s going to be a devastating, potentially devastating accident. Is this something that you guys were concerned about when you first started making wheels?
Yeah, of course, because we had to let the test from TUE. They make all the tests. They tested if it can break or not. And they also tested with the maximum tire size, what we say. So if we say we want to use a 39 inch tire, for example, then they make the test with a 39 inch tire. So they make a rolling test and make a test with a white, not the English word for that.
They simulate going over a big rock with zero air in the tire, and the wheel is not allowed to break.
For example, it can bend a little bit, but it’s not allowed to break. That’s good. I’m glad you could bid it some. So, but you guys have, do you guys do steel wheels as well as alloy? Because I don’t think the alloy bend very well.
Yeah, no, we also, we only use no wheels.
Very cool. And so now I was actually surprised. I’ve never, I didn’t know about your company until recently. And you guys have quite a collection of things. I mean, and quite a collection for Jeeps. I mean, you have stuff for the LJ, the JK, the JT. So, and you guys have been doing this for quite a while.
Like I said, it’s all new to me. I think it’s absolutely wonderful that there’s a European company that’s learning this Jeep sickness or not even learning it, but been involved in this Jeep sickness for so long.
So are you a Jeeper? Do you personally have a Jeep?
Of course, nothing else. So what Jeep do you have?
Or Jeeps? Well, yeah, that’s great. My first Jeep was a 95 YJ. And I still have it. And in the meantime, we built in a wrench at 502, a Chevy engine. And the car is now it’s in the States for offroading. And my daily driver is a Wrangler 392 with a new type of course. And also I built for myself, I built a Gladiator with a head engine.
Oh my goodness. Oh, that’s right. Now, I think I asked you earlier if you guys are going to be at EJS. Are you personally going to be at EJS this year?
I will one of these vehicles be there or is this going to be a company vehicle that you have there? No, we have a standard JL there. We have a little booth at EJS. And our display car is a JL with 39s and Gladiator with a… Very nice. Now, are you just going to be in the booth or are you going to be out on the trails?
The JL would be in the trail with me, I hope.
And the JL… Because you can’t go to Moab and not actually get out on the trails a little bit. How many times have you guys been there? You’ve been going there for a long time?
Eastern Jeep Safari or Moab? So the Eastern Jeep Safari is in Moab and Eastern Jeep Safari at the end of this month, the end of March.
And so we’re going to be out there. We’re actually the Jeep Talk Show team will be out there. Several team members and several listeners will be out there and I’m going as well.
So it’s my third time at the Eastern Jeep Safari and Moab, I think I’ve been there 20 times. Yeah, it’s a lot of fun. I’m glad to hear you’re going to be on the trails. Hopefully we’ll get to meet up. I’m actually doing some scheduling up some interviews, at least scheduling from the standpoint we’re both going to be there. Let’s get together. I got some cameras set up in the Gladiator that I’m going to try to do some some brief interviews with. So maybe we can find each other out on the trails and do an interview there as well as this one.
All right, so now wheels are only part of the story. And of course, I’m blown away that you guys are doing beadlocks and they’re actually legal.
Where you guys are. The wheels are not just a part of the story. It’s the beginning of the story because wheels has been the first thing would be made with our brand name, Baborian.
And the reason was because it was not possible to get to approved wheels in Europe with the correct dimensions and the correct offset. So that was the reason why we thought about making our own wheels. And yeah, after that, one comes to the other. Then we the next step, I think I think is pretty close to that. The next step was a trailer hitch receiver.
It sounds very easy, but it wasn’t actually because since we since we had lifted a jeep in Europe, we also wanted to the guys who want the jeeps, they always wanted to have happy trailers. But with a three or four or five inch suspension kit on a JK, it was not so easy to to trailer a big trailer. And therefore we made our own development for getting a really good thing because the original trailer hitch, I don’t know if you if you know that the frame, the rear frame of the jeep is a two part frame and the original hitch only goes up to the wedding. And if you have a heavy trailer, then the frame cracks simply often. And that why we made a change and we made it bigger. And also, we went a little bit more down to to get a better engine.
And now it works. So we got it to approved, of course. And I think it’s a stronger hitch for cheese. So when you say the the frame breaks or cracks, is this where the mount is or along closer up to the front of the jeep? I mean, the front of where you sit.
Where does the crack happen? I guess is what I’m asking.
In the rear frame, between the two parts that the wedding and the area makes sense.
Because I’ve seen some stuff like with Toyotas were like especially Toyota trucks when they too heavy of a load that the the the frame actually will bend and break. And I was hoping that’s not what you were talking about. So this is just where the mount is. So now you were telling me something earlier about the gladiator,
the European gladiator compared to the U.S. gladiator, that there was some some different strengths involved between the two, which I find very interesting that there would be a difference.
Yeah, we have I told you that we have a trailer receiver and we made it in a standard. It also fits onto the gladiator, but the maximum towering weight is not possible with a European frame. So the frame of the U.S. gladiator when you did not order the maximum. Maxing. Towing.
Exactly. We tested it. We tested the frame.
They put it on the rig and it tested two millions of vibrations.
It’s correct.
And therefore we have to use the U.S. frame.
It’s the only one frame, but really strong enough to use that. Do you know what the difference is? Why a different frame was used in Europe? Is it a weight savings that they were trying to do?
I don’t exactly know what it is, but for sure it’s more heavy. The frame part, it’s about two or three kilograms more. And so it’s more thick. Yeah. Well, that makes a lot of difference. I find that really, really unusual. The little things like this that we probably wouldn’t know in America otherwise. I’m glad you, glad you mentioned that.
So out of so you guys, like I was saying before, you have products for the JK, the JL, JLU and the JT Gladiator.
Was there any, I mean, you’ve got a YJ.
There’s lots, still lots of TJs around. Was there any thought in having coming out with something for the YJs and the TJs? I mean, I know from a marketing standpoint, there’s not as many as those and you want to sell to the largest market, but yeah, was there, was there any thought? Did you guys have anything for those vehicles when you first started? Um, maybe some weirds if you, if you do a, uh, an excellent spread, but nothing else. Like I said, you go in with the biggest part of the market.
So the market, the market is too small in the meantime. So, uh, but, uh, and, uh, are you still guys, uh, guys still happy with the JK market or is it getting smaller as well?
No, it’s pretty, pretty good. But, uh, JN, JT is, uh, how many is the biggest market?
So, uh, how, how popular are Jeeps, uh, in your area? I mean, obviously you’re, you’re not just selling in Germany and in the United States. I’m sure you, uh, other places that you can sell your products in Europe. I’m sure you’re doing that as well. But how popular are Jeeps there in Germany?
It’s pretty popular. So, um, it is, uh, it’s actually a program to, to get them any, uh, cause what, uh, what people want to have. The only one problem is, uh, from now, because, uh, they now offer only the four by E wranglers. Oh yeah. And, uh, the most expensive one and also, uh, nobody want to want to have a three in a kilogram battery and, and, uh, so, um, how did you go about getting the, the vehicles you have and how did you go about, well, how’d you get a three 92 that had to be, and you must have had to jump through some hoops to get a three 92 over there.
Yeah. The reason the really reason why I have it is because we had to, uh, to develop an exhaust system for it, um, because, uh, the original system was too loud. Yeah.
And then when we got one to make an exhaust system, uh, what’s actually louder, but, uh, then the original one, but, um, it’s with the, with the clap and where it has to be, uh, not so loud. There is not so loud. So it’s like, uh, like open headers or not. You have the little things that you can flip open. Yeah, that’s great. Uh, we have, uh, one of our team members, uh, Bill has a three 92 and I was saying, Bill, you’re going to get those little things, press a button in your, your, your own cap and you can just run it loud. Uh, he’s like, these smiles are big says no, no, no, but, uh, we’ll see. What do you, what do you think about the, the Jeep no longer making the three 92, uh, this, I think this is the final year for the three 92, uh, JLU that’s sad.
It is, is absolutely sad. Uh, not, not just for, not just for the brain, or for all the other v8s. So, um, have a look on, on the, on the Ram or on the charge changer. I mean, I hear that that, uh, that straight six that, uh, the hurricane engine, I hear that it’s very good. Actually we were talking about Greg Henderson earlier. Uh, and I think I can talk about this. Greg actually test drove a couple of vehicles, uh, that had the hurricane engine before they actually released it. And they, they had really tuned the hell of that thing. He said it was bad ass. So, you know, I guess if you get the torque and you get the horsepower, uh, it’s fine, but there’s something about a v8 sound that you, you can’t, you can’t do. It’s just no matter how hard you try. Uh, I mentioned earlier, I’ve got a 98 Cherokee and it’s not certainly not a v8, but it has a sound to it. That 4.0 has a sound to it. And I miss that the gladiator, the gladiator is great, but I miss that sound. It has a GP sound to me.
Yeah. That’s it. That’s it. All right. So now, uh, we’ve, we’ve talked about wheels. Uh, you do alloy wheels, you got beat locks, you got non beat locks. Uh, anything else, uh, anything else special dimension about the, the wheels?
Did it tell you something about our suspension? No, no, no. But we were talking about wheels. We got, uh, we’re going to talk about that other stuff, uh, next, but if you want to get into suspension, that’s fine. I find it interesting that you don’t have a two inch lift. You just go straight to four and a half.
We, we wanted to, I told you we tested our wheel for 39 inch tires.
Uh, but for using the 39 inch tires, you need the height of the car. So, uh, and it now becomes close, uh, to the next. Uh, therefore we had to use a four and a half inch suspension and that would be developed. Oh, we like to say no modification goes unpunished here. And sometimes the punishment is getting more stuff so that you can use the stuff so that you can use the stuff you put on there or you want to fit the stuff on there. So four and a half inch lift, uh, on a, uh, for example, I got the Mopar, uh, two inch lift. And I did that so I could maintain my warranty. I mean, four and a half inch lift sounds wonderful to me. I love that idea of it. My, my five foot two inch wife who would still be able to get in the gladiator because she would figure it out, but that she would be very challenged to get up in that. She’s got a TJ with the four and a half inch lift, uh, on it and she can get in there. But, uh, four and a half. How did you guys come up with a four and a half? Was it the 39 inch tires you were trying to make sure fit?
Well, um, I said, so if you have the time, it’s a cheap surprise to come over to our booth and then we can, uh, we can drive around and then you know what I mean because, um, we developed a four and a half inch suspension, which runs a way better, uh, on the street off-road of course, but also on the street, a way better than your, uh, two inch suspension or almost, uh, with a, with a stock suspension. It’s, uh, it drives like a sports car and, uh, I don’t tell you lies. It’s a, it’s fact to have to come over. No changes to the steering, uh, that we’re just talking about suspension here, uh, uh, with coil springs, uh, and, uh, what, what all, what all, let’s just ask that. What is, what is your suspicion, suspension hit include? Well, um, we’re getting a steering. We also use, uh, uh, new knuckles at the front. And so we have a high steer suspension and, and, uh, all the, uh, the springs, uh, they are a frequency to you and then, uh, progressive, but, uh, that’s all, everything is not the point. The real point that the suspension is the geometry. And we have, uh, many people now know the geometric bracket for, uh, for the, for the, uh, it’s, it’s an all-on kid in the front and we have a geometric bracket in the front and in the rear also. And, uh, this makes it, you can’t believe it how, uh, uh, so why didn’t they do something like this at the factory? Was it expense? Is this an expensive thing to do? It sounds like, I mean, geometry doesn’t sound like it’s, it’s, it’s more like a, it’s more like math and making sure things are the right size.
Yeah. It’s not so easy to develop a system like that, uh, because you also need the, uh, the clearance under the car and, uh, it was a lot of work and it’s also many, many parts, uh, what makes it really expensive. So, um, the whole kid is, uh, in the States, I think it’s around about $4,000. Oh, okay. The whole kit. It’s a whole kit included everything. There’s no option and, uh, and it works great. You know, that’s a good idea. Yeah. It’s going to cost you more, but if you, if you sell the whole thing, nobody’s trying to piecemeal it because they’re going to piecemeal it and it’s not going to work right. And that’s just going to be a look bad for you guys. Like you didn’t do it right. And really what it was was somebody messing up the design. Yeah. And, um, there’s every little part is, uh, is, is made so great. So, um, uh, also the, uh, the balls would use. So every little part there, the ball would use the sink plate. So like, uh, like from the factory, uh, I think there is no other manufacturer, uh, manufacturer of, uh, pension kits who uses only sink plate that a bolt, uh, with his pension kit. And, uh, the shocks would be used. They are not, uh, bought from a pharma shock company. We made it by our own. We, we tested it on a dynamic rig. Uh, so we absolutely for 100% sure that it works fantastic. Uh, on and so the shocks that you sell that you guys develop, this is part of the kit. You don’t sell the shock separately. Is that correct? Yeah, absolutely. Um,
we, we think that, uh, a shock has to come with a kid. So, uh, it’s nonsense to buy a kid and then to buy a shop from another manufacturer. Um, it has to get developed. That’s nice. I like the way that’s up. Like you say, it’s, it’s expensive, but you know what you’re getting and you should be getting a good product if it, cause it, all these, all these things were designed to work together. Now, um, because of this, is this something that is user installable? Or do you guys recommend or require a shop installation, uh, to make sure everything’s done properly, installed properly? If you, uh, if you know something about the mechanic of your car, then you can do your own. So you don’t need to go to a shop. Okay, good. Yeah. So, uh, I’m sure that’s going to run through people’s minds like, Oh my God, it’s expensive. They want to make sure it’s done right. And, uh, yeah. So sometimes that’s a bit of a turn off. I don’t know about you, but I find it, I find it very hard to find anybody that can work on my vehicle that cares as much about my vehicle as I do. Um, you know, it’s, I mean, and I don’t blame them. It’s just, it’s just a job for them. But whatever I work on my vehicle, uh, I’m doing it because I need it. I want it done. And I want to make sure it’s done the way I want it done. Uh, there’s been a number of times I’ve found people doing things that they didn’t read the instructions. They didn’t do it right. And damn it, I might as well do it myself. And I’m not going to do it right. I’m not going to do it right.
Yeah. You have to know there’s, uh, there’s nothing to weld. There’s nothing to cut. It’s just a bolt on kit. And, uh, even if there’s a really a whole suspension system, um, but it’s only maybe to drill something, but it’s, it’s a bolt on kit. So, uh, nothing too well. So I know, uh, this happens a lot with lift kits. They’ll say that it’s a four and a half inch lift or a two inch lift, and it’s not a two inch lift. It may be three and a half, four inches, uh, when you put it on there. And it really depends on the weight and everything that you have on, on the vehicle that you’re putting it on. But what kind of lift, actual lift are you guys seeing from this four and a half inch lift? Like on a JLU? Uh, our kit is a four and a half inch, uh, suspension note, no more. And, uh, and it works really with a 39 because, uh, why do you want to lift the car? You only want to lift the cheap because you want to drive bigger tires. And, uh, but, um, I don’t know if you know, but, uh, honestly to say the most of one and a half inches pension, they cannot handle 39s. So, um, all ones does, but it’s not higher than four and a half inch. So it’s strange. Now, one of the things that I think could be argued, a 39 inch tire, especially like on a Rubicon or any rig with lockers, uh, on a Dana 44, uh, is that getting close to exceeding the limits of the Danny 44? Because I’m thinking 39 inch tires and a four and a half inch suspension. It might be time to go with different axles. In my opinion, you can use 39s with a standard axles. Um, you should use your brain. Oh, come on. But I think it’s never a mistake. Well, good. I mean, I’m glad because you guys, you know, especially more, you know, the people who want to go up on a rock and there and the tire is turning and it starts bouncing. Yeah. You shouldn’t do it with a, with a nine, but also not with a 37 or 35. So yeah. But, but I mean, from the research and the design that you guys did, you should be fine with the standard Dana 44 axles that come like on the Rubicon or even the gladiator. Cause the gladiator only comes with 44 is front and rear. So, uh, yeah, you have to think about the jail has a white axle. So it’s a very, very long, uh, extra shaft. Uh, and, uh, it’s, uh, it’s a lot of more flexibility and, uh, the extra shaft and with a short exit. So, uh, there’s more, uh, my way more comfortable. Okay. So I want to make sure everybody’s clear. You guys are in America as well, selling these, the, all your products and we haven’t even touched on all the products yet. You’re selling these products in America, so you don’t have to ship it from Germany. You don’t have to get on a boat and go over there and get it and bring it home with you. You can buy it here. How do you guys handle sales in the United States?
What we have our workshop here, it’s the boring.com and, uh, we have our sales guys here. We have two people here who manage all the business in the States and do a great job and want to get tested. So you can order it here and get it delivered. Uh, the suspension kit or the wheels. And, uh, so that’s great. And we’ll get, uh, we’ll do more about that here in a second, uh, when we wrap up, but, uh, uh, you guys don’t just sell wheels and suspension lift. You mentioned clear, insing tires. You guys actually sell fender flares as well. Don’t you?
Right? Yeah, we do. Um, we have, uh, three different styles of fender flares, uh, very popular, uh, family is, um, our, uh, extenders, uh, that look like the Ruby confenders, um, the high fenders
they’re from Faber glass and they are 38 millimeters or one and a half inch, uh, inches wider.
And, uh, it’s, it’s good for the necessary tire coverage. Not, not very important for you guys in Texas, but also it’s very important for, uh, some places require the tires to be fully covered. Right. I mean, I think even in Moab where we’re getting ready to go, uh, they require a mud flaps, which I’m not going to have mud flaps on my G, but yeah. So yeah, this really depends on the, uh, the local governing authorities. Yep. You’re right. So, um, you guys do something with, uh, recovery and as much as a D ring, what, tell me what’s special about this D ring that you guys sell?
Well, um, yeah, the beginning was because, uh, we have been the first, uh, exclusivity dealer in Europe for AEV or American Expedition Vehicles. And, um, we still sell a lot of, uh, apart from that brand. And, uh, we met the whole program. We, uh, we made a TOB certified and it was a long time ago. Uh, it wasn’t a check with the front bumper and, uh, they have, um, uh, the possibility to, uh, to Mount D rings under the, uh, under the bumper. And therefore we decided to, to make special D rings. Um, what we, what we can use and, uh, they’re extra strong and, uh, they’re isolated. So you don’t have a clack, clack noise when you drive through your car. And yeah, it was, uh, so tell me what is this thing. It doesn’t have like the standard, uh, thing that you, uh, take the pin out or you twist it with your fingers. Uh, it looks like it has some hex or Allen head, uh, bolts that hold things in place. Exactly. So, I mean, if you wanted to, to put something through here, do you have to have it where it goes through the ring, uh, threaded through, but you can’t take the ring off. The idea is the ring stays on the bumper.
Okay. Exactly. And I was going to challenge you here because I didn’t, I saw them in black, but I went a little further and I see you got it red and gun metal. So as long as the red’s there, I’m happy. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a minor thing, but I do want to cover what you guys have. We mentioned, the various things that you have in the fender flares. And I could tell those things give a lot of upper tire clearance. And that’s another thing you want to make sure that you do, although with the four and a half inch lift, you probably don’t have to worry about it. Uh, Oh yeah. Fender floor extensions, an inch and a half. Uh, yeah, I see that. Uh, and, uh, uh, oh, tell me, what is the, I see the camera relocation kit. Where are you relocating the camera to? Oh, again, what’s this? Uh, you have a camera relocation kit. Where are you moving it? Yeah. I would assume you’re, this is the Rubicon camera that’s on the front. Uh, and, uh, so yeah, if you, if you use a, uh, another kind of bumper in the front, um, then sometimes you have the problem that, uh, you cannot see anything in the screen of your car because the camera isn’t, yeah, you can see the winch. You can see the back of the winch. Yeah. Very nice. Sometimes you want to do something more and, and therefore we made a relocation kit. That’s correct. Yeah. So you can, uh, you can mount it in another direction and, uh, in the front, so the middle, the middle section of the front, um, from the vehicle, what is not equipped with a front camera comes with the kit and then you can put it on. So there’s a lot of places that you can move it to and get the best view possible is what I’m taking from that. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I can, and I can well imagine somebody spit the money on getting the Rubicon with that. They may have the modifications and they go, well, this is useless. So that’s a, that’s the way they can get around it. Um, all right. So now, uh, let’s, let’s move over to the, uh, I was going to say the body. I saw something here earlier for the gladiator and I think I’ve seen it on your screen for you, you guys that don’t know. We also have this on YouTube. So, uh, they have a nice, uh, a TV in the back showing various products, but you guys have like a rack system, uh, for the gladiator, correct?
No, uh, I’m sorry. I just saw it. So I thought we had it. The, no, the rec system would be offer is, uh, it only for made for the Ram.
Okay. It was, it was released two years ago and the time was too short to make it all for the gladiator because, uh, the gladiator, the gladiator will leave us in the market, you know, and that’s the reason why you didn’t. Yep. I see it here. So this is for the DTX rack, uh, for the Ram 1500, uh, 5.7 inch bed. So let’s talk about the Ram. Uh, we already mentioned that since this is a Jeep talk show, but people do have Ram trucks out there. They do have more than Jeeps. I don’t understand it personally, but, uh, people do. So, uh, what all do you guys have for the Ram truck? And is it just the Ram 1500? Well, for the 1500, we also offer wheels, of course. And, uh, what we also have is, uh, the DTX rack and also, uh, uh, the hot top on that, uh, the hot was a pretty nice thing because it’s, um, what you know, so it’s, uh, the different parts. It’s, uh, the left window, the right window, the, uh, um, rear window and the top. And, uh, you can use one of these parts or everything. Uh, then you have a completed hot top and, uh, Andy, uh, you, you, you bolt it onto, uh, onto the rack. So, um, then you have a rack and a hot top at the same time. And that’s the biggest difference to all the other manufacturer. Very cool. Now, uh, I did notice earlier that you guys have a winch mount and, uh, I thought it was interesting. I was like, Oh yeah, winch mount. That’s fine. You get the, the, the, the OEM steel bumper and it’ll fit that, but you guys, this thing fits more than just the, the Jeep steel bumper, right? Yeah. Well, uh, the reason for the winch mount was, um, where we sell the mopar front bumper, the original one, but you’re about to get in the U S market, the Rubicon, but, uh, it’s normally, it is not allowed in the European market. So the Rubicon and a Euro also have a plastic bumper. Um, but we got it to approved. So, uh, we have, uh, pedestrian safe cover, uh, developed for the mopar front bumper. And so we now we, uh, we are able to sell it as an option for, uh, for the jails. And, um, although we, uh, we offer the AV front bumper and, uh, yeah, now we want to, we want to do it. We didn’t want to have a winch, winch mount for, uh, mopar and for AV and stock. So, uh, we developed our own ones, what fits now for mopar and for AV. So, uh, it makes it possible for our, uh, dealers that they, uh, have, uh, the mopar and the AV bumper and stock and only one kind of, uh, Yeah, that’s very handy. Also nice for you guys too, because you don’t have to come up with something different, different parts and all the rest of that crap. Um, so make sure I understand this correctly. You guys cannot have steel bumpers, uh, in, in Germany, you can only have the plastic one. So does that also mean you can’t put a winch on the front?
Um, yeah, you’re not allowed to, uh, to use that. That would be, that would be pedestrian friendly when you smack them. They shouldn’t be on the road. Damn it. That’s it. Yeah. No, what we did is we developed a cover. It’s a two, two inch thick foam and, uh, we tested it with a crash test, uh, actually. And, uh, no, all the pedestrians are safe.
Even the fake ones you’ve seen the dash cams, right? Where they, they run up to the stop vehicle and they throw themselves on the hood. Yeah. The thing is, if you have a, uh, a cheap, I don’t have a four and a half inches pension and bigger tires in it and, uh, and bumpers, front bumper is in the optimal height and, uh, you hit the pedestrian. Um, okay. We have a cover in the, uh, in the moment when the cover bumper hits, uh, pedestrian, nothing happens. Nothing is maybe a little bit too much serious. But then, but then, uh, the test, um, he will, he would go on the, underneath the car and, uh, the bad thing with the exit, it doesn’t have a pedestrian safe car. So yeah. So what you guys need is a combination air horn and, uh, the, uh, what do you call those things? The, the, the bags, the airbags, you need airbag on the front. So right before it hits, it honks the horn and the airbag deploys and it pushes the pedestrian out of the way. Of course, it’d probably be at such force. It would sling them into the oncoming traffic. Uh, I understand what they’re trying to do there, but come on. Uh, I’m sure, I’m sure you’ve seen on, yeah, I’m sure you’ve seen on social media and stuff where a Jeep gets involved in an accident, whether they rear end up like a Honda civic or somebody hits them and they hit the rear or front bumper and they’re the customized bumpers and the Jeep just drives away.
That’s not happening. I think it can still happen, but I think it’s less likely to happen with the Jeep plastic bumpers. So, uh, I hate that aspect of it. I mean, I don’t like the idea of the other vehicle being totaled, but you know, I’m more concerned about me. I mean, I definitely don’t want to pass pedestrian to get hurt, but, uh, the chances of the pedestrian being in the wrong, I think are higher than the vehicle being in the wrong. You know what I’m saying? I don’t, I don’t think they should pay an all the price for that, but I just don’t like, I don’t like limited choices. Uh, I like being able to do what I want to do with my vehicle.
It is, uh, it is, it’s actually pretty difficult to meet a different laws. So the law in, uh, states is absolutely different to the law in, uh, in Europe, uh, not even in Europe, but in, in Japan, in, uh, in Australia, they all have the pedestrian, um, laws. And, uh, the funny thing is the American say the American law says, um, the most important is that the guys in the car, uh, are safe, but the other law says the persons out of the car to the others have to be safe. So, uh, and what we tried and what we got is, um, that we can keep everybody safe. So, um,
you have, you have the steel bumper and, uh, the, the guys in the car and the cheap, they are safe, but also you have, uh, the foam, uh, on the front bumper, uh, what, what keeps the pedestrian safe. So it’s, uh, it’s very, it’s, it’s not so easy. Like it sounds because the tests are very difficult.
And I would imagine too, and you don’t have to agree or, or, or, uh, go, go on with this, uh, this subject, but also too, I get the feeling that sometimes laws, uh, are kind of a feeling and, uh, whenever you’re going through testing, uh, you may have problems because that feeling of we want the pedestrians to be safe. They may not want to pass the test or they might want to be more picky about, uh, that test passing than they would normally be just because of the, the, the overall thought process that’s going on in the government. And, uh, I know that happens over here or I suspect it happens over here. And I would imagine it happens in any government anytime people are involved, we’re all the same ultimately. So, uh, but I can well imagine that’s a very difficult process and a very long process to go through. Yeah, it is very difficult to, uh, to be that, um, because the tests, uh, I don’t know what, uh, what, what, what kind of people can, can make a test like that because yeah, yeah, you have to imagine, um, uh, they, they say, okay, um, we, we make a lower leg or upper leg test. It depends on what the height of the bump is. And then we have to, uh, to throw it with, uh, with a speed of 40 kilometers per hour onto the car, onto the position. And, um, and you have to care for it that, uh, that test will pass. So it’s not really easy. So in the future, all vehicles will be made out of a Nerf material, that spongy material that they make toys and stuff out of. And the only problem is you can’t drive them in the rain because they just soak up all the water, get too heavy to drive around. All right. Well, you know how the kids love the social media. I’m sure you guys are on social media. It is because you’re in, uh, in Europe, you’re not immune to the social media thing or can people find you or the company information. I mean, uh, I’m sorry, we didn’t mention the website information. Uh, and, uh, so it’s B a W a R R I O N.com. And is it bear one, bear, bury one, say it for me. I’m not saying it right.
But okay. So again, B a W, uh, a R R I O N.com. And you’ll find this on the show notes for this episode. So you can just look for this interview episode and you can get that link right there. So, uh, where can, where can we find you online, social media, so to speak.
So you can also find us on Facebook and you can, you can also find us on Instagram, uh, wherever you want to find us, you can find us. And for, uh, to keep the name in your mind. Uh, so I explained what we think, what, what, uh, what the name says it’s the Baboran, so that makes sense to me. Yeah. I just see those, that makes a letters. I’m going to, I don’t know.
What is the, what is the, uh, is it O R Z? I say, I think I said Q R Z there’s an amateur radio, uh, website. Uh, and then that’s a Q R Z is one of the amateur radio, uh, Q codes, but that’s O R Z. Isn’t it? Oh, it’s, oh, yeah. I saw that. I went, Oh, Q R Z. I know what Q R Z is. I’m an amateur radio operator. So yeah. And that is a, uh, a partner or a parent company or what is O R Z?
Oh, the O R Z is the owner of the brand Baboran. So it’s a company, uh, what stands behind Baboran. Excellent. All right, man. Uh, Patrick, so, oh, oh, he’s doing business as the boring. Gotcha. So Patrick, thank you a lot for being here. And I’m, uh, it’s, it’s a lot of fun talking to, uh, jeepers outside of the country. It is so cool. Jeeps really are universal. And I like it that it’s not just an American thing. People get the Jeep thing and it’s all over. Yeah, absolutely. Of course. Yeah. You know, it’s a, uh, only, only achievement freedom. And, uh, until they take that away from us with sponge bumpers and, uh, uh, IFS instead of, uh, front axles and, uh, no more V eight. Oh God, I just, I don’t like the way this is going.
And I hope to absolutely we’ll have to get you in the gladiator and my puny two inch lift and you can say, Oh, well this is crap because of this, this, and this. Uh, I won’t say that.
All right, man. Thanks a lot. Really appreciate you being here and, uh, we’ll have to get you back on the show. Yeah. Thank you very much. Hey, thanks again to Patrick of Baguarian. I think I’ve got that pronunciation down correctly. I’m sorry. I’m supposed to say pronunciation. Uh, yeah, I’m sorry. I think I got that pronunciation down correctly. Uh, visit their website right now, Baguarian.com. That’s B A W A R R I O N.com. Hey, coming up next week, Allison, you know, Allison, we’ve had Allison on the show several times and I got to meet her at EJS last year. Uh, but she’s not there this year, uh, but, uh, Allison of duck duck Jeep. And, uh, you can actually go to official ducking Jeeps.com. It’s a brand new website. They just started. And, uh, yeah, it’s, uh, it’s, it’s exciting. And that’s a wrap for today’s episode of the Jeep talk show. I want to give a big thank you to our special guests for joining us today and sharing their knowledge and experience with the Jeep community. Thanks again to G tops for sponsoring this episode of the Jeep talk show, but up more by going to G tops.com support the companies that support the show. You love the Jeep talk show meet me. And well, you better hurry. Cause today’s the last day I’m going to be there, uh, literally leaving tomorrow, Saturday. Uh, but, uh, yeah, they’re all day Friday. So depending on when you’re listening to this now, if you’re listening to this in 2025, you’re out of luck. Uh, so meet me and the 2021 Jeep talk show gladiator at EJS 2024. And you can see the G tops in person. Oh, and I should add there, we, we have about like 13 listeners and guests and, uh, team members all at EJS this year. So, uh, yeah, you shouldn’t have to go very far to find one of us. We love hearing from you, our listener reach out to us via email phone, social media. We use your voicemails on the show. So until next time, keep on jeeping. And we’ll see you on the trails. Hey, Fridays are red. Remember everyone deployed
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