Recon EV Problem: Bigger Tires Don’t Work
On this episode of the Jeep Talk Show, Tony and Josh break down the new Jeep Scrambler from SEMA, the real off-road limits of the electric Recon, and why bigger tires are a bad idea on any EV platform. They also cover Stellantis selling the Brampton plant to a Canadian defense firm amid tariffs, classic MCU picks like Iron Man and Captain America, and plenty of unfiltered Jeep community talk. Sixteen years and 1,500+ episodes of real mods, trail stories, and no-filter banter continue right here.
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Episode Transcript
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You
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You You You You You
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You
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Good lord, it’s a name and I can’t remember I want to say Joe, but it’s not this idea You You You You You You You You You
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You
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Yeah
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I am not up on the MCU. Oh, real quick, before I answer that, I’ve got the name or names for the Rocky character from Fantastic Four. My question is,
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do I say it or do we just not say it and let everybody else chime in like you idiot?
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So
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I’ll give you a hint. There was a movie and a hit song by Michael Jackson about a rat.
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Do you remember the rat’s name?
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You don’t remember the movie?
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I know, you don’t remember the movie about the rat?
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And Michael Jackson sang a lovely little tune about the rat named Ben.
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Yeah, the rat and song were both named Ben.
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(Audio Cuts Out) (Laughing)
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Well, his name is Ben because he’s a real person that got turned into this thing and that’s the name that they call him is The Thing. Yeah.
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So anyway, I’m not really a MCU supporter any longer. I really enjoyed Captain America. I haven’t seen a pro-America, pro-Hoorah type movie in a long time because of all the woke stuff. And that was, it was nice to see that.
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It was World War II, so obviously that was the character from back then. And then of course, the best one was Iron Man. I mean, who doesn’t, what old guy doesn’t like a middle-aged man being a superhero?
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(Laughing)
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So since then, and you know the Avengers, I mean, they were good, but when it culminated into the taking down of Thanos finally, it was, there was too much going on. There were too many stars in the movie.
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It was fantastically done. And yes, yes.
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Well, of course it is, because that’s the, you can’t build up to stuff and then not continue at that level or higher.
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(Laughing) (Silence)
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Even 50-50, you know, I have no problem with 50-50. Yep.
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But the kids gave it a try. I mean, you know.
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And they probably learned something from the process. You can’t do it using stickers.
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They’re trying. This is a repeating theme. They’re trying.
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I really didn’t pay attention to it, honestly.
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I’m really surprised. There’s been a lot of people in companies that somebody has mentioned or they have mentioned that they watch or they listen all the time. I just always assumed when I’m doing interviews that they’d never heard of us and they lost a bet. It’s the reason why they’re coming on the show. I mean, I think that’s a healthy way of doing it. I don’t think you should say, oh, well, I’m glad that you’re finally here. We were gonna skip you and go on to somebody more interesting. I mean, I don’t think we’ll ever be in the situation where, I mean, you might, but I’ll never be in the situation where I’m a big deal. You’ve always been a big deal. I’m on it.
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(Laughing)
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You’re not a big deal, man.
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Speaker 2
So let me tell you about this. I actually looked this up while you were opening the show. I was a little, not surprised, I should say, but I guess I was surprised at the Canadians that were complaining about it. I understand why they’re complaining.
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So I’ll take the Trump position. Love Canada, love the Canadians. But with that said, I think they should have taken the deal
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whenever they, whatever they were, they were inches away from it.
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The beautiful woman was laying down. She was naked and she was ready to go. And then Canada said, nope, no, thanks. What the hell? Do you wanna piss somebody off? If you wanna piss a woman off, that’s how you piss a woman off. So anyway, they didn’t take the deal to get rid of tariffs and everything else. So now where I saw this, and it has Stellantis’s name on it. So I thought this is a good one to talk about on the show. Stellantis to sell Brampton assembly plant to Canadian defense firm, Roschel. That just doesn’t sound like a good, that doesn’t sound like a mean military of Roschel.
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(Laughing)
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Oh, they’re getting the hell out. Of course, if you haven’t been following, they’re getting out because of tariffs. If Stellantis starts building stuff in Canada, that’s about where they can sell it to. Well, they can sell it anywhere, just not in the US.
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You can sell it in the US if you’re willing to pay the Canadian tariffs. And I believe this is how that works. And I believe this is why they’re selling it. It’s like, we can’t afford to pay tariffs. Canada is not making any signs that they’re gonna make a deal with the US anytime soon.
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Was it all arms up, elbows up? I’ve always said whenever you have your elbows up, that means you got your hands up and that means you’re surrendering. So,
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(Laughing)
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but they haven’t done that yet.
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Fuzzy little foreigners.
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Yeah, it’s a shame too, because I’ve never thought bad about Canada. I still don’t. But just
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like our political leaders, they’re fucking idiots sometimes. And these people that are leading Canada, you thought Trudeau was bad. Good God, this guy. Oh, and I don’t think I’ve made the joke here. Do you remember all in the family? That’s a very timely reference.
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But do you remember the gentleman that recently died? He was a very
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popular director.
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He
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lived there in Archie’s house with Archie’s daughter, Gloria,
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Michael Stivik.
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I’m brain farting on the guy’s actual name. His son killed him and his wife, which is just so horrible. He’s a liberal or was a liberal nut job, but he did not deserve to die. And he certainly didn’t deserve to die from the hands of his, of their child. Anyway, so the leader in Canada, last name is Carney. Well, in Spanish, Carney means meat. So I think that Carney is the new meathead from
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the liberal loon from all of the family. That was a long way to go for that. I know, I’m sorry. I’ll cut that down by 15 minutes in post.
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(Laughs)
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Good.
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(Mumbles)
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Sure.
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(Mumbles)
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Oh, absolutely.
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(Mumbles)
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Right.
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(Mumbles)
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Sure. Whoever, yeah, whoever will buy it. And the thing that gets me is, is that the bitching that I saw was from the union over there, because it’s going to, a lot of people are gonna be without jobs. And I think that’s a bad thing. I mean, everybody should have a job that wants one. And, but you have to play the game. And if the United States, which is the biggest financial stick in the water between the US and Canada, I mean, I think that the economy, US economy is nine, 10 times bigger than Canada’s. And
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I don’t know if it’s accurate or not, but I saw earlier today that for years, Canada has been making 90 trillion, I’m sorry, $90 billion a year off the United States.
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Right, but it’s trying to be,
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well, no, no, no. That’s why I’m saying there’s a deficit of $90 billion a year. And it’s nice that whenever you have a few billion dollars float around in your pocket or 90 of them, you can say, oh yeah, let’s pay for this for people. Let’s pay for this for people. Let’s just pay for this for people. But whenever you can’t do that, you either have to make up the money yourself or blame somebody else. And I think blaming somebody else is the short-term thing. And it doesn’t matter if it’s Trump or anybody, anybody that’s not giving them that money that they can give away to people to buy votes or maybe they just want to take care of people. I think it all goes back to making the public, what is it, you’re not supposed to feed the animals at the zoo or those parks that you drive through.
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Right, because they do not want the bears to start getting used to having those handouts. Well, the government in Canada is feeding the bears and that’s how they maintain power. So you guys really need to think about this whenever there’s stuff that’s being given away for free, whether it’s Canada, the United States, Australia, any of those places. Yeah.
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So anyway,
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so the union in Canada is complaining and rightly so, but what are you gonna do? I mean, there’s nothing wrong.
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Oh no, yeah, but the quicker you can make the deal, the better and they’re going to and they’re gonna have to.
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Who are they gonna sell it to? They’re not gonna sell it to the United States.
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No, not at all.
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Well, to keep this in mind, it really depends on who gets elected next presidential election. But currently there’s no Chinese EVs here. You know, they kicked
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DJI out on the drones because they either know or they fear that they’re being used to track, to send information back to China. And if you have a military leader, CIA, whatever, driving a Chinese car,
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now it’s not, yeah, now it’s tracking exactly where this person’s going.
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Yeah.
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What was that thing, Pokemon? Did you remember that Pokemon app that all the people were going nuts over?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah, my daughters were playing it. That’s how I know about it. Do you know what it ultimately turned out to be?
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You know how Google ran around with the cameras on the vehicles?
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Right, but you were taking pictures and things and it was going back to the Chinese military to generate detailed maps of the US.
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Oh, it’s a great idea. And now you’ve crowd sourced all your collection. Yeah, yeah. So I’m not saying, I don’t know that it was illegal, but it was certainly one of those situations where you, yeah,
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you have to consider these things. Certainly, and right now you cannot have a Chinese EV, probably not any Chinese vehicle in the United States. And it just means they have to go a different way. Oh, let’s put up some balloons.
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(Laughs)
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Here are a bit of balloons.
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(Laughs)
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I mean, they were pretty neat balloons. Anyway, my point is that I don’t think Chinese EVs are gonna have anything to do with North America, I’m sorry, with the United States. Canada, sure. Australia.
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I was just gonna say, are they gonna block them? Are they gonna say no? Sorry.
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(Mumbles)
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I bet you the vehicle squawks. I bet you, like on the flock cameras, where they can sense all kinds of Bluetooth, all kinds of stuff from the vehicle. So I bet you it’s a lot easier than you think. Anyway, we’ll see, we’ll see what happens, but I don’t think we’re gonna see Chinese EVs even driving in here from Canada. So.
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Speaker 2
Yes.
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(Mumbles)
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Speaker 2
It makes me feel green.
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(Laughs) (Mumbles)
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Speaker 3
Right.
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Speaker 3
Um.
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(Mumbles)
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Speaker 2
So I know we’ve talked about it here, and I don’t know if they’re still doing it, but there was an ICE option, a hybrid option, and a fully EV option that they were talking about doing on the Recon.
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Right.
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(Mumbles)
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Well, that makes a big difference, because if they had an ICE version, internal combustion engine, then that might solve that problem. So were you following SEMA at all from, this is.
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(Mumbles)
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Speaker 2
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Speaker 2
So did you see the, I wanna call it the He-Haul, but that’s not right. The scrambler, the new scrambler, did you see any information about the new scrambler?
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Speaker 2
So Jeep unveiled the scrambler, which it is designed like a real scrambler. It looks like a GLU.
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And I don’t think it’s a concept only. I think they’re talking about coming out with it. 392,
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and it is made for go fast off road.
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(Mumbles)
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Speaker 2
Yep. So my question
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to you
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was, it’s IFS.
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Speaker 2
So I think that this is going to be that situation you were just talking about with a Recon. You get a Recon, and it’s not what you want, and you find out later. Now you fully understand, it’s EV, you fully understand that it has limitations when you buy it, and maybe that’s fine, but you get into a Jeep, maybe you get off on a light trail, something that the Recon has no problems handling, and you go, this is a lot of fun. Maybe you see some other people, and their wranglers or gladiators or XJs even, doing things that you know the Recon can’t do off road. Where do you build? You’re not gonna be able to build on the Recon platform. So you have to find a used Jeep or one that was built properly from the factory for off road use. And this is the thing I’ve been preaching, and I fully believe you’ve been preaching it with me for the longest time when they came out with the new Cherokee. That’s fine, people like it, but you’re not gonna take it off road. I mean, there’s a guy that has a Trailhawk that does take it off road, and some modifications have come out, but nothing in the multi-billion dollar aftermarket that the Wrangler for many, many years has had. So this is the reason why I warn people about these Jeeps.
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Speaker 2
You don’t want bigger tires on an EV.
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Speaker 2
You don’t want bigger
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tires on an EV.
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You don’t
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want bigger tires
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on an EV.
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Speaker 2
You don’t want bigger tires on an EV.
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Speaker 2
You don’t want bigger tires on an EV.
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Speaker 2
You don’t want bigger tires on an EV.
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You
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don’t
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want bigger
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tires on an EV.
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Speaker 2
Why do movie critics always shit on movies?
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Speaker 2
We’ve all seen movies that Cisco and Ebert, at another time, said was crap. Although Cisco just loved “Saturday Night Fever.” That worried me about the man.
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Speaker 2
But Cisco and Ebert would crap on a movie. We would see it, or I would see it, and they’d go, “That was a damn good movie.”
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Speaker 2
It’s not lack of intelligence. It’s in the eyes of the beholder. I think that whenever you bitch about something, and it’s not why we do it, I guarantee you, we bitch about it because we’re pissed off about something. But I think it’s a money-making thing. I think that whenever you’re negative,
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Speaker 2
Well, I’ll have to.
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Speaker 2
Well, I’ll have to take you word for it. Josh, I’ve never heard of this motor trend thing you’re talking about, but, but if you,
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Speaker 2
but if you say they’re good, I’ll take your word for it. I mean, they’re only a trend.
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Speaker 2
So, so Josh, uh, we’re recording on a Tuesday night and, uh, I’ll just remind the, uh, the listeners, the viewers here that a Tuesday night is round table at night and it’s 7 30 PM central time. We open up the, uh, the round table for you to jump, come in there and just talk about Jeeps or really anything. It seems like the most fun thing we talk about our movies, especially when we talk about movies and TV shows that we see Jeeps in. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So we’re gonna, we’re gonna wrap this up because it’s a, it’s coming up on 7 30 PM and besides that you need to get the hell out of there anyway.
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Speaker 2
Do you, do you have a roulette wheel that you spend to figure out which job you’re going to go to the tonight?
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Speaker 2
No, no, no, no, no, no. I really,
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Speaker 2
I really wish you would, uh, and this would be good for the show too. I really wish you’d reconsider my suggestion for getting an only fans account, uh, a little, a little, a little money you could upgrade your camera. I mean, it would be mandatory. It’d be a business expense. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
So I’ll let you think while I
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Speaker 3
can, I’ll let you think while I can.
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Speaker 2
So I, I, I, I, I’m
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Speaker 2
sure I saw the, the Tiki talk, uh, that, uh, uh, that Morgan fairchild 76. She’s not British. She’s from Texas. She’s Dallas. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So Morgan fire child, uh, Shannon, something or another that, uh, pretty girl. That was the, the girl that Kelso got pregnant on that 70s show. Uh, she started, she started hers about a month or month, a half ago, I believe. And I saw a report on it in, uh, I think the first week of only fans, her being an only fans, she made more money than he, she has made in any TV movie combined that she had been in.
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Speaker 2
The, the only thing they have to do, uh, the process it for, for, uh, entertainment is add the echo sound at certain points. Uh, you guys will get it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
And
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Speaker 2
don’t forget to go Jeep talk show.com slash contact to find out all the ways to contact us. Josh, great show. Thanks a lot.
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Speaker 1
You’re my friend, you’re my new friend. Hehe.
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Speaker 2
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