Episode 916 – Cherokee Turns 49!
Jeep Cherokee officially discontinued after 49 years of production
Jeep though will continue to sell the SUV’s larger sibling, the Grand Cherokee.
According to a media report, Jeep has confirmed that the Cherokee has officially been discontinued. The SUV is one of the brand’s most popular models and has been in production for 49 years.
Jeep started production of the Cherokee in 1974 as a 2-door SUV based on the brand’s Wagoneer model. The SUV switched to a unibody platform in 1984, becoming a smash hit with over 3 million sold. The Cherokee was manufactured in the USA until 2001, after which its license-built versions were made in China till 2014. Reports state that the Cherokee served as a template for most modern unibody SUVs & helped popularize the body style.
Stellantis, which owns the Jeep brand, idled the Illinois plant where the Cherokee was made. A spokesperson from Stellantis also confirmed that while Jeep will have a presence in the midsize SUV segment, the new model might not bear the Cherokee name.
Jeep though will continue to sell the SUV’s larger sibling, the Grand Cherokee, which will carry forward the name for now.
Stellantis CEO complains about being forced to make EVs and not knowing how to profit from them
Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares made some interesting comments that amounted to claiming that electric vehicles are being “imposed” on them and that they don’t know how to make them profitable.
Prior to becoming Stellantis, Fiat Chrysler was seen as a laggard in the race to electrification and the PSA Group wasn’t exactly a leader either.
Since joining forces, the new CEO of the conglomerate, Carlos Tavares, has announced some important investments in electric vehicles.
But in new comments during a Reuters conference this week, Tavares said that this effort to electrify is being “imposed” on them:
What has been decided is to impose on the automotive industry electrification that brings 50 percent additional costs against a conventional vehicle. There is no way we can transfer 50% of additional costs to the final consumer because most parts of the middle class will not be able to pay.
When talking about electrification being “imposed,” he appeared to be referencing the deadlines for sales of internal combustion engines in some countries and the fleet emission requirements in some markets.
The CEO issued a warning that some automakers will fail in this transition:
Over the next five years we have to digest 10% productivity a year … in an industry which is used to delivering 2 to 3% productivity improvements. The future will tell us who is going to be able to digest this, and who will fail. We are putting the industry on the limits.
In an update to the company’s electrification this summer, Stellantis said that it is investing €30 billion through 2025 to build new EV platforms to support a series of new electric vehicles across its brands.
Fabrication Freezy, with Larry, JeepingMo
What axle is in your JL or JT?
Let’s look at the axles that are put in the JL & JT.
If we look at the JL & JT lineup and what axles are being offered
One thing Jeep did differently for the JL/ JT lineup.
They all have what we normally call Dana 30 & 44 axles.
But now they are identified with an M designate.
M186, M200 & M220
The new configuration refers to the ring size in Millimeters.
M186 = 7.32” diameter
M200 = 7.87” Diameter
M220 = 8.66” Dia. Ring size.
There are many different configurations of these axles.
For the Wrangler
Now the information is somewhat hard to find, and most of it is on forums.
Let’s start with the Rubicon model;
It has the Dana M210 axle up front and a Dana M220 axle in the rear.
Unlike any of the other JL models, these axles will measure 68″ wide making them 1.5″ wider than a Sport or Sahara and a whole 2.5″ wider than what came on the JK
JL Wrangler Sports will now come with a Dana M186 front and Dana M200 rear axle. Just like the JL Sahara, these axles will also measure 66.5″ wide.
Sahara and Sport are also available with a Dana M220 rear axle which comes as a part of the limited slip differential.
For the Gladiator there are not as many Axles used, the smaller M186 is not part of the lineup. I don’t think anyone is upset by that.
For the most part, All the JTs get the M210 Front Axle.
If you get the sport model you have the M220 rear with the standard tubes.
the Sport S w/ Max Tow, Rubicon, Mojave, and High Altitude have a thicker tubed (10mm), 1.5″ Wide Track Axle.
The Rubicon & Mojave have rear lockers the Rubicon is the only one with front lockers.
The high altitude has the track lock rear diff.
One thing I found out is that the M220 in the JT is not the same as the M220 in the JL.
The control arm brackets are different and so are the shock mounts. I built lower control arm skids for the JL, and the set that I sent Tony definitely did not fit.
So don’t think that all the Axles with inner swap with each other.
Now if you want to weld on new brackets and mounts, they will work.
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Jeep has confirmed the Cherokee has been discontinued
Tony: To, uh, media report, jeep has confirmed the Cherokee has, uh, officially been discontinued. The SUV is one of the brand’s most popular models. Let me read that again. The SUV is one of the brand’s most popular models and has been in production for 49 they couldn’t wait one damn more year. It could have retired with a watch at, uh, uh, 50 years. Right?
Speaker B: That’s why they did it.
Tony: Damn corporate.
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Announcer: Absolutely.
Tony: So, whether you’re new to the Jeep world or a seasoned Jeeper, we’ve got you covered with the latest news, tips, and advice to help you get the most out of your Jeep. On tonight’s episode, uh, in our news stories, one of our new stories is going to be Jeep Cherokee, officially discontinued after 49 years of production. Larry. Oh, my God.
Speaker B: That’s a long run.
Tony: I hope that’s not a sign of things to come. And in fabricating frenzy, let’s talk axles. It’s like Axle Roads. What is that? Uh, guns. N’Roses. Is that, uh, who I’m thinking about? Not what you’re planning on talking about.
Announcer: Right.
Speaker B: We have to hang around, see if I’ve got a half a shirt on or something.
Tony: There you go. Uh, and then our must have stuff for your Jeep. Oh, I figured that out, Larry. You know what? It used to be our must have stuff for your Jeep or this week for your Jeep. I, uh, realized I could just take out the words this week and it was fine. Because since we have amazing. Since we have two flagship episodes, it’s all about know you have to think about it to think about it. Anyway, in our must have stuff for your Jeep jumpstarter, do you have a jump starter? I mean, you got an old Dodge. You must have a jump starter now.
Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I called him. Duke.
Announcer: Are you ready?
Tony: It’s time for the Jeep talk show with hosts Tony, Josh, Wendy and Chuck.
Speaker B: Hi, I’m Larry. And Bonjour.
Tony: Bonjourno. What is that? Is that like a pizza brand or something? I can’t remember.
Speaker B: It just depends how you want to say hello.
Tony: Yeah. Did, uh, you come back telling your wife your loved ones we oh, yeah.
Speaker B: Well, I’m 57, so there’s a lot of wee wee.
Tony: Right? Have you had your prostate, uh, uh, checked yet? Larry?
Speaker B: Um, so we’re talking about.
Tony: Mean, it’s fine. I’m not here to judge. I was thinking more of it like at a doctor’s office, not while you were in France. So I had mine checked. And I tell you what, it doesn’t matter how old you get. You know, it’s medical, you know that it’s something that needs to happen, but it’s just not comfortable when the doctor.
Speaker B: Asks you if you’re enjoying this, you’re going a little too much for the checkup.
Tony: Yeah, well, you’ve heard the joke, too, where the doctor says, all right, Steve, don’t be nervous. Uh, just, uh, concentrate. And the patient says, my name’s Mike. He goes, no, I was talking to myself.
Speaker B: Yeah, well, you know how the interview works for that, right? You look for the guy with the smallest.
Tony: Exactly. Exactly.
Larry: I’ve been off for a few weeks with a back injury
Speaker B: So what’s new on.
Announcer: And, uh, I know I haven’t called for a while, but I just finished listening up to a bunch of episodes. I’ve been off for a few weeks with a little back injury lifting too much. But, uh, I was just listening to episode, just finished 910, and, uh, I love AEV, and I love looking at everything and dreaming and wishing I could have it. But Matt is an incredible man. And I got a nephew that I think I need to tell him he needs to go to work for them. He’s incredible too, with jeeps. Loves Jeeps. He’s a Cherokee man. He’s a hero. Anyways, I hope everything’s going good out there and I will talk to you later.
Tony: Yeah, Matt, uh, at AEV conversions was a fun episode. And you know, Larry, uh, you can tell when you’ve interviewed somebody enough times, they start feeling comfortable, uh, when they’re doing an interview. And I liked how he, uh, forcefully corrected me that it’s not a minus sign on the AEV conversions.com.
Speaker B: I heard that.
Tony: Did you hear that? Or is that hey, that’s Matt. You should change that. It’s kind of negative, so the jokes just write themselves. But, uh, that was fun. That was fun. Uh, most people say it the right way. Tony good.
Speaker B: He’s comfortable.
Tony: Yeah, absolutely. I love that. It’s great. Uh, it’s great podcasting.
So Jeep officially discontinued the Cherokee after 49 years of production
Tony: So, Dr. Uh, on HM, your buddy there with the, uh, Cherokee, we have some bad news for you. Enjoy that Cherokee. So Jeep, uh, Cherokee officially discontinued after 49 years of production. Larry, I’m a little confused because I think I remember us reporting on the Belvedere plant being closed down. I thought the Cherokee was dead for a while. I guess it wasn’t officially dead. They just weren’t making it anymore.
Speaker B: Yeah, I haven’t seen these in the lots for a long time either. So would that also be part of the Grand Cherokee as well, or is it just Cherokee?
Tony: I guess depending on how you look at it. It’s either fortunately or unfortunately. No, because they’re going to keep making the Grand Cherokees. I know. I don’t mind the Grand Cherokee. I just didn’t care for care for it when I was buying my 98 XJ Cherokee. To me, it was too curvy. Uh, it’s really the same thing that people complain about the XJ. They say that’s not really a Jeep, it’s not a Wrangler. Uh, that was your only choice back then, uh, in 98 when I got that XJ. And, uh, it was a little too boxy, I guess. No, Jeep can be too boxy. A little too curvy, a little too much like a grocery getter. And I mean, hell, it didn’t even have a frame, uh, a solid frame to it. It was all unibody.
Speaker B: I guess that’s the whole thing about it though, right? Because everybody wants the bigger SUVs now. And since I don’t think that even has a solid front axle in it anymore, does it?
Tony: Oh, no. They’re, um, uh, think the I believe the Grand Cherokees are all ifs now. At least back whenever I was, uh, not wanting a Grand Cherokee when, uh, I was buying my first Jeep, uh, they were solid front axles, I think the Grand Cherokees up until, I don’t know, um, I’m going to venture, uh, a guess. It was well into the 2000s, into the 21st century before they went with ifs. Ifs just feels so good. It just feels like luxury. That’s why the Bronco has, uh, ifs.
Speaker B: Well, I’m going to probably upset some people. So it’s pretty much just like a compass.
Tony: L yeah. Uh, for all intents and purposes, it’s got the seven slots on the front. I be god, I hope it still has seven slots. Yeah. Uh, looking at the picture that we have in our show notes and you’ll be able to see, uh, everything that we’re looking at, uh, uh, in our show notes. You can see that on our website, Jeeptalshow.com. Just go over to episode 916 and you will see this. And, uh, big shout out to, uh, Chris of Sevenslats, uh.com, for maintaining our, uh, flagship episode, uh, show notes. So, uh, when you see Chris, tell him thank you for keeping those show.
Speaker B: Notes up to a good job.
Tony: So Jeep, though, will continue to sell the SUV’s larger sibling, the Grand Cherokee. See, Larry? It’s right there. Uh, no need to worry. I can’t help but think that parts, uh, what do you call those people behind the counter? The, uh, service not service managers, the parts people where you go up and you tell them you want a part and they want to know what kind of vehicle it is. Um, uh, at least there’s hope in the future that people will walk up to the counter and say Cherokee. Or maybe they’ll actually say Grand Cherokee. And the parts guy won’t have to say, is that a Cherokee or a grand? Because all parts people talk like that.
Speaker B: They’re going to ask you for the last six of the Vin.
Tony: Oh God. Uh, this is why I like ordering online.
Speaker B: I need a spark plug. I need the last six of the Vin.
Tony: Windshield wiper? Yes. Do you guys sell sticker? Oh, how about one of those, uh, little pine trees? I can hang from my mirror. Well, I need a Vin for that mirror.
Speaker B: Make sure it’ll fit exactly. Well, it’s kind of nice to know that they’re not killing all the Cherokees. I still want a track hawk.
Tony: Yeah, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a Grand Cherokee, but, uh, from an off road standpoint, and I’m going to get some hate from the ZJ owners and the WJ owners, but from an off road standpoint, to me, there’s a lot better, um, choices for, uh, offroad. Now, I will tell you that you can modify the hell out of anything and take it off road, and it will be the best. I’ve seen a solid axle, uh, uh, put on a, uh, I don’t know, the two letter designator, the, uh, Liberty, the first Liberties that came out that were very reminiscent of a VW Beetle. I’ve seen those things. I think they literally just took the body off of the thing and put it on a frame for something else that it would fit to. They probably just had ratchet, uh, straps holding it down, too.
Speaker B: But anyway, send your hate mail to Tony at the Jeep.
Tony: No Nikki G at the Ten minute Off Road podcast. That’d be funny if he started getting mail from Jeep. Talk show related stuff. What the hell? We’d hear some, uh, voicemails about that.
Jeep has confirmed the Cherokee has officially been discontinued
Tony: Anyway, according, uh, to media, uh, report, jeep has confirmed the Cherokee has officially, uh, been discontinued. The SUV is one of the brand’s most popular models. Let me read that again. The SUV is one of the brand’s most popular models and has been in production for 49 they couldn’t wait one damn more year. He could have retired with a watch at, uh, 50 years. Right?
Speaker B: That’s why he did it.
Tony: Damn corporate. So, Jeep, uh, started production on the Cherokee in 1974 as a two door SUV. Based on the brand’s wagoneer model. The SUV switched to a unibody platform in 1984. That’s the Cherokee that I know, uh, becoming a smash hit. With over 3 million sold, the Cherokee was manufactured in the US. Of A until 2001, after which its licensed built versions were made in China until 2014.
Announcer: Wow.
Tony: Could you imagine having a 2014, uh, Cherokee, uh, when I say, uh, a, uh, Cherokee, I think that the Chinese, uh, Cherokee was I’m not going to say it was an XJ, but it was much more XJ ish than the new, uh, Cherokees that came out around 2012 or whatever.
Speaker B: That sounds like something you order for dinner. The Chinese Cherokee.
Tony: Exactly. I want some Kung Pao with that, please. So, uh, extra MSG. Um, but, uh, yeah, uh, that would be pretty cool. I seem to remember the front end looked a little different. The headlights were not the standard headlights that we’re used to seeing on XJS. So reports state that the Cherokee served as a template for most modern, unibody SUVs and helped popularize the body style I firmly believe this because Ford what was it? The Ford Explorer came out and, uh, it was very, um, uh, XJ ish I don’t like saying Cherokee because a, uh, lot of people think of the Cherokee as the modern day Cherokee. And to me, like I’ve always said, I think a lot of people don’t understand it. It looks like a reebok tennis shoe to me. It’s not groundbreaking. It’s not doing its own thing. It’s just a copy of the standard crossover vehicles, which was really one of the things that I really disliked about it. Well, honestly, I’ll just mention this again for the 15,000th time. I was pissed off about it because I love my XJ, and I was really hoping that they would do something that was a tribute, a modern day tribute to the old XJ. And it wasn’t. It was just a sack of shit looking thing that was just like every other, uh, crossover that looked out there. It wasn’t setting the trend like the XJ did.
Speaker B: Although I would kind of like to see what the Chinese spec is, see what they changed, because they had to change some things on that. I just can’t imagine a Cherokee rolling down the middle of China with four liter and everything else on it.
Tony: Mhm. Um, yeah, I don’t know. I do remember the headlights were different. And I do remember that you could order those headlights if you wanted to give a more modern day look. Um, I say that you shouldn’t change a classic, but I guarantee you, if I had an MJ M, which is basically a Jeep Cherokee XJ truck, and, uh, I had a donor vehicle from, uh, like, a 97 plus I’d pull all that 97 stuff, even the dash and the interior because you can swap all that stuff over, uh, in the MJ M and have me a 97 plus, uh, MJ M. Uh, it would look just like a more modern day Jeep. And I say more than the one that they ended making in 2001 good Lord, 22 years ago. But, uh, I really have always liked the MJ, and I think it was probably because, uh, it’s a Cherokee that has a bed, which is very reminiscent of what I’ve got, which is, uh, a JL Wrangler with a bed, which they call a Jeep truck. A JT. So it’d be really cool to have, uh, a MJ and a JT both.
Speaker B: So, uh, I had to look it up while you were talking.
Tony: Oh, good.
Speaker B: Yeah. Looks like it’s got five slots.
Tony: Oh, that’s silly. But you see what I mean about the headlights? Aren’t they like these, uh, huge, wraparound Ford truck type looking, uh exactly. Headlights. Yeah.
Speaker B: It doesn’t look like a traditional XJ. Big square headlight. It wraps around more. Although the rest of the body looks very similar. But, yeah, uh, that’s probably a huge luxury vehicle there with all the people in China.
Tony: I wonder if they have buffets, chinese food buffets in China. Maybe they have American maybe they have American food buffets. That would be and you go over there and grab a bunch of hamburgers and uh yeah.
Jeep idled the Illinois plant where the Cherokee was being made
Tony: So anyway, Stellantis, which owns the Jeep brand, idled the Illinois plant, uh, where the Cherokee was being made. A spokesperson, uh, from Stellantis also confirmed that while Jeep will have a presence in the mid size SUV segment, the new model might, uh, not bear the well, you know, they have, uh, had some problems. And I think most of the problems were not with Indians, but with the people that are trying to help the Indians. Because it’s always fun to bitch about something, uh, about using the Cherokee name, which is obviously a name that was inspired by a tribe of Indians from North America. Uh, I may be wrong on this, but I don’t think any, uh, Indian publicly, uh, complained about it. Uh, so this might be their way of getting rid of uh, that name without seeming um um I don’t want to say girlish, but you know what I mean. Not confronting it head on like we’re doing away with this because we don’t want to offend, uh, a race of people.
Speaker B: Yeah, I was trying to figure out, remember the, uh, senator’s name from up east? Maybe she complained, but that’s a whole nother discussion. Mhm.
Tony: So uh, Jeep though, will continue to sell the SUV’s larger sibling, which we already mentioned, the Grand Cherokee, which will carry uh, forward the name for now. Oh, that’s a good point. They’re going to continue uh, using the name Cherokee, but now it’s going to make everybody feel better because it’s grand. Uh, I remember doing, uh, a photoshop a long time ago, uh, with uh, the Grand Cherokee, uh, wheeling over an open biscuit can of the Grand Biscuits. You remember the grand biscuits?
Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Tony: Ah, I love those things. The Flaky, the buttery, uh, they’re just wonderful.
Speaker B: Uh, uh, uh, I don’t know this, I’m kind of posing a question here. The Compass and the Liberty, are those all out of production now?
Tony: Um, I’m not sure uh, understandably, I think I don’t follow those very much. Um, but I do believe there is a uh, thinking back to a prior, uh, episode, I do believe there are plans on the books for 2025, uh, for the um was it the Liberty? Not the liberty. Um I can’t remember now. But anyway, in the concept vehicle drawing, which I don’t think is anything Jeep has released, it looked very Jeepy. It looked a lot more like a Cherokee than, uh, the actual modern day Cherokee looked like. And I was a little disappointed whenever I figured out that that was just a concept and not from Jeep. So there’s no telling what it’s going to look like. But of course, it was all electric.
Speaker B: Oh, there you go.
Tony: That’s how they got to get you yeah. So, uh, what do you guys think? Is, uh, 49 years? Just really sad? I mean, I was really sad when they, uh, stopped making the XJ, the Jeep Cherokee from 19, uh, 84 through 2001. And, uh, personally, I really despised the Liberty because that was really the replacement for the XJ and it was just a total crap vehicle. Uh, in my opinion.
Speaker B: We’ll just wait around for a little ways, right? They’ll rehash that name and start building it in some other form in a few years.
Tony: Wouldn’t it be wonderful wouldn’t it be wonderful, though, even if it was all electric, if they came out with a Cherokee that was very modern, like a resto mod almost, but with some modernizations of the XJ, that would be really cool.
Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Tony: Um, like I said, even if it was all electric, which I despise, it’s fine if you can get 500,000 or hell, like an aircraft carrier, you put the fuel in it and it just goes for 20 years, that would be really cool. I could do electric if I didn’t have to put fuel in it. Could you imagine going and getting in a vehicle that had, uh, 20 year lifespan for, uh, power, and then you go there and it won’t go. What do you do? What do you mean? Does it turn? Doesn’t it’s not built to turn over. It doesn’t hum, just give me the.
Speaker B: Last six of the Vin, please.
Tony: Well, they even have vins. If Apple ever makes a car, it’s going to have but one number for the Vin. Kind of like their one button solution.
Speaker B: Yeah, I can’t imagine it. Although I got to admit, it might be cool. Electric motors and a 392 all tied together. That could be fun.
Tony: It would be, wouldn’t it?
Stellanta CEO complains about being forced to make EVs and not knowing profit
Tony: All right, well, I found this next story kind of refreshing. Although m it’s not 100% the Jeep talk show, uh, thought process here, or how we feel about it. Stellanta CEO complains about being forced to make EVs and not knowing how to profit from them.
Speaker B: Seems to be a problem with most of them.
Tony: Well, I think, uh, gosh, and it seems like it changes. It kind of keeps going up. I guess maybe the UAW strike is part of this, but, uh, Ford making that F 150 Lightning, which apparently is a really nice truck. Uh, but I think the last I heard is they lose $60,000 when they sell one number. I heard good.
Speaker B: 60 grand.
Tony: That’s proper journalism. We’ve confirmed the story.
Speaker B: Fact check.
Tony: That’s right. So Stalantis CEO Carlos Tavarez made some interesting comments. Uh, and this guy, it’s going to be funny if he winds up, uh, in harm’s way or something because of this. Because we all know that the big push for EVs is coming straight from our government. Uh, but anyway, uh, he made some interesting comments that amounted to claiming that electric vehicles are being imposed on them. This is huge, Larry, because this is the guy in charge of not only Jeep, but the whole Stalantis brand saying what many of us have been saying for a while now.
Speaker B: Yeah, well, the government doesn’t have to produce a product, make sense, or any of the above. Right? They just have to impose your will and, uh, try to see if anybody else will go along with it.
Tony: Mhm, and this is exactly why we don’t need lawyers and, uh, career, uh, politicians running this country. We need businessmen running this country. Although, and I know it’s just a movie, but you can always look back at RoboCop and go, well, I don’t know if I’d want a businessman running this company, I mean, this country or not. Especially looking at how the police force, uh, was handled by the private sector.
Speaker B: Short term politicians what you need.
Tony: Yeah, I agree. And that’s absolutely all of them. Not just one party. You can’t do that. Actually, I’m sure that one of the parties would try, but I, uh, think they all should have limited time in office. Their point for being in office should be for the betterment of the United States. Uh, but anyway, he says, uh, finishing the sentence, the vehicles are being imposed on them and they don’t know how to make them profitable. Um, I guess you can’t hire Elon, uh, because he’s already a multi billionaire, but, uh, apparently Elon has some ideas on how to make them profitable. Um, so I’m going to throw something out there. Larry, maybe this has crossed your mind. Maybe I’m way off base on this. And listener, you feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong. I am kind of concerned that the whole reason for the UAW strike, uh, has to do with hurting, uh, companies that are making the Ice vehicles, the internal combustion engines. What do you think, Larry? Could it be a government, um, conspiracy to actually, uh, cause these, uh, big businesses to go out of business? Do you think the government would do something like that? That’d be a lot of people out of work?
Speaker B: Well, I wouldn’t put it past them, but I don’t know that that’s this one, I think this one is strictly internal with the employees themselves. I think the government’s push to put them out of the business is the electric mandate. That’s a whole separate push.
Tony: Right. But I mean, if the company like Ford, for example, if Ford, uh, isn’t moving forward with, uh, doing all electric vehicles, if they’re continuing to do the internal combustion engine know, the ones that they make profit on and the profit that they need to be able to pay the workers. Uh, so, uh, I’m thinking that if you can’t, um, I’m actually thinking that the government is causing they don’t care about the, the people losing their jobs, they’re just making use of them so that they can shut down these companies so that we can focus on electric vehicles because we need uh, to handle everything that’s green. Uh, everything needs to be green. And if people get hurt, we don’t care, as long as the planet is green.
Speaker B: Well, I just think this will end up like most things. Right. Uh, they make the announcements, have all the press conferences, and those are always front page. And in a few years on page 35, the retraction, that’s where that sits. Right. Because that’s not as popular. It’ll be buried somewhere.
Tony: Yeah. And I think this is the start of it. With the Stellantis CEO actually saying something about it. I mean that’s a big deal. And that’s kind of what they’ve been trying to do. Uh, and I’m not trying to point at one political party. It’s just government in general. Uh, they’re making use of social uh, media. And before that, it was uh, radio and TV, uh, to mold uh, the public’s perception and what you could and couldn’t say. And I uh, just wonder. I know it’s out there, uh, and it’d be a hell of a thing, but we’re seeing things come to light that I thought would never be true. That uh, our government agencies, our alphabet agencies really uh, seem to be doing some things to us, instead of uh, the not us. Uh, maybe they’re doing it to the not us too. I don’t know. Maybe they’re treating us all the same.
Speaker B: So what do you think that at its core, the big difference there know, you have a Tesla whose really whole business model was pointed right at electric vehicles from the very beginning. And then you have everybody else who’s trying to do both. Right. So is it the streamlining of just focusing on the electric and not being bothered by everything else? The reason why Elon’s been able to make money?
Tony: I think Elon is making money because he thinks in a way of how can we make less parts? How can we make one big part? Uh, what do we need to make that one big part? Uh, and not have to do a lot of work putting uh, multiple parts together, uh, from the SpaceX thing. It’s like the best part is no part. So the less parts you have, uh, the cheaper it can be made, uh, relatively speaking. I mean there’s always situations where you could overly complex something. Just trying to make it simple. Um, that’s a great statement, uh, but uh I think it is it’s one man with a vision and he’s controlling ah, what the overall um, goal is. And I think that in these bigger companies, you wind up with a bunch of people making decisions, power struggles. Uh, and I’ll just say it. I uh, think that having to pay, uh, uh, people what a um uh I’m brain farting. What’s the UAW? The um union wage? Yeah, the union workers. I think that whenever you have something and it’s actually wonderful for the workers, but for the company making money and trying to make something, uh, inexpensively for the masses. I think it’s counterintuitive to that happening because they, uh, do not have union workers, uh, at Tesla.
Wendy: Tesla and one Chinese company are making a profit
Tony: I mean, you guys correct me on that if I’m wrong, but they don’t have.
Speaker B: So maybe we need a call in, right? So maybe we need someone to call in from the Tesla and kind of give us what the normal average wage is on the line versus, uh, I’ll say a GM or a Chevy or a Ford mhm.
Tony: Absolutely. I mean, I love the idea of people being paid a good wage, um, but, uh, at the same time, I don’t know that I want to spend $100,000 on a vehicle.
Speaker B: Yeah, because then you also got to ask, too, with that statement, you get Rivian out there, who is 100% dedicated to electric only. And from what I’m hearing, they’re not making it, either.
Tony: No, they’re not. I, uh, think, uh, Tesla and, uh, one Chinese company, I think, are the only two companies that are making a profit, and Tesla is the only one that’s making I don’t know the percentage, but what I’ve heard is good, um, mean. And that’s kind of the surprising thing. Uh, uh, you would think that it would be fairly simple just to get a Tesla, buy a Tesla, take it apart, figure out what they’re doing, uh, and basically copy it and do it the same thing, uh, they’re doing with your own design, of course, because you don’t want to get sued. But see where the innovations are, see where the cost savings are. But then again, uh, it seems to me that, uh, uh, Elon does a lot of stuff. Uh, he takes it all in house. They make their own batteries, they make their own this, they make their own that. Uh, I’m surprised they’re not making tires. So, uh, they can find, uh, additional ways of cost savings. Whereas, uh, well, let’s talk about the computers that are in the modern day vehicles. Those computers, those modules and vehicles. Modern day vehicles are full of multiple computerized modules. Well, those modules come from third party, uh, and one of the things they talk about Tesla is, how can Tesla do over the air updates of their vehicle? Well, it’s their silicon chips, it’s their computer, it’s their code, so they know how the thing works, and they don’t have to worry about interfacing with some third party manufacturer. Now, again, I love third party manufacturers. Oh, and there’s another cost savings, too, isn’t it? Because now you have to arbitrate with that third party manufacturer how much you’re going to pay for that computer module.
Speaker B: Right.
Tony: And they have to have money to pay their people. You remember whenever the Internet came out and the song the illegal music sharing started, and then it morphed mapster. Yeah, exactly. It morphed. And then a lot of the middlemen. Went away. And then there was these, uh, um, uh, uh, musical stars that came about where they were just selling, uh, their music straight to the end user. Well, that’s what Tesla is doing. They’re selling their cars straight to the end user. And they haven’t even been doing, uh, paid advertising. I mean, people talk about them all the time. Uh, Adam Sandler, I remember, bought a Tesla years ago and bought all of his friends a Tesla. So there’s that kind of advertising. But they’re only now thinking about doing, uh, actual radio and TV advertising for the Teslas.
Speaker B: What are the ODS? That Chinese company making electric cars. They’re making electric Cherokees.
Tony: Yeah. There we go. Now, we’re, uh, mean, I don’t mean to talk a whole bunch about Tesla, but I’ve been watching a lot. Uh, I do own stock, uh, in Tesla, and, uh, it’s been taking a beating here recently. But I don’t care, because, uh, my God, the stuff that they’re doing is just absolutely amazing. And I, uh, think that what you’re going to see, especially with the full self driving, uh, which I don’t know if you guys are aware of. Not I’ve mentioned this before. This, uh, stuff is amazing. The full self driving is amazing, and it is going to transform how we do, how we drive around now ain’t going to take us off road. And that’s why we need to do everything we can do to keep the Jeep going so we don’t lose that. I don’t see Tesla ever building something that’s, uh, comparable to a Jeep. And I’ve heard good things, uh, about the Rivian, and really heard it from Wendy, uh, about it doing good, uh, things off road. But I don’t believe you’re ever going to see a vehicle that’s better than a Jeep off road.
Speaker B: No, not at all.
Tony: Yeah. So anyway, it’s good to see that one of these, uh, car company CEOs is speaking out, and at least in some way, uh, agreeing with the Jeep talk show, which is always a good thing to do. I think that’s a safe bet, Larry, always.
Steve O wants to remind Jeepers about our Discord server
Speaker D: Hey, good evening, Jeep talk show. This is Steve O from Aurora, Illinois. Wanted to talk to everyone and remind them about our discord server. If you ever have any questions about a Jeep project, people there are always willing to help. I recently came across a struggle trying to determine which axle I had as I was changing my differential cover. And the fluid is different depending on which model. Axle, according to the owner’s manual, got very confusing. So brought up in the chat and Discord, and one of the members, uh, Larry very knowledgeable Jeep and Mo, said, hey, what’s on the build sheet? Of course, I didn’t have the build sheet because I bought it pre certified.
Tony: And what’s the Vin number there?
Speaker D: Off I went and did a Google search, and I was able to enter my Vin and get my build sheet found exactly which model rear differential. Uh, I have, I have the 220 axle, so I was able to get the right fluid because there’s actually two different fluids listed in the owner’s manual. So become part of the uh, Discord Channel. It’s free, there’s no involvement. Yeah, there’s some shenanigans going on, but if you have a serious question, everybody is there to help. If you do submerge your Jeep tongue in cheek, that’s quite uh he won’t.
Tony: Let go of that. Poor Rick. Yeah, the uh, Discord Server uh, is a lot of fun and I uh, don’t mention it enough here. Uh, I’ve got that same problem most people have. You don’t want to repeat yourself a lot, uh, because you don’t want people rolling their eyes. But we have new listeners all the time, Larry, so I really have to do a better job in reminding people about all the fantastic things that we have that gets Jeepers together. And of uh, course we’re always thinking of more things, but uh, it’s so simple to get on the Discord server, just go to Jeeptalshow.com slash contact and you will see a link there which is uh, what they call an invite uh, that you can click and uh, just pick a name and boom, you’re there. Uh, I did an interview recently, uh, and uh, was telling the guest that was on, hey, you ought to come over there and you can talk about uh, the Jeep parts that you have and uh, just enjoy the conversation and he joined us today. So uh, it’s great and we have a really good group there and it’s often the very same group that you see uh, in the Zoom meeting uh, for our roundtable episode.
Speaker B: Yeah, it’s a great little community. One thing I’ll advise when you’re in there, don’t try to keep up, just go with what you see. Don’t try to go back because there’s a lot of people chatting in there and uh, there’s a lot of good information.
Tony: Yeah, I remember that was one of the things that uh, Don was saying that uh, he would find himself going back pages trying to figure out where the conversation was. Yeah, just jump on the bus as it drives by.
Speaker B: Just like at a campfire. Just start where you’re at.
Tony: Oh, I don’t think it’s broken whenever you get there and there’s nothing going on because there are periods of time where, uh, there’s not much being said. Uh, and then there’s those times where you get there and you go, holy crap, what happened? What blew up?
Speaker B: They woke up.
RealTruck. com recently published their very own Wrangler Overland Guide
Tony: So the topic of Overlanding, where explorers travel an extended distance, remotely over terrain, has become one of the most notable trends in off road and automotive four by four culture over the past half decade. Yeah, Larry, do you, overland, do you go someplace with a sandwich? Because that’s what you got to do for Overlanding. Every now and then Overlanding can take a few days to a few weeks to accomplish. But the principal goal in Overlanding is the journey and being able to enjoy it, having a great plan, can, uh, help make your journey more enjoyable. And with that, RealTruck.com recently published their very own Wrangler Overland Guide on Real Source. The Overland Trim Overview discussed not only the factory trim level, but ways to turn your plane wrangler into an all out Overlander using parts from Realtruck’s catalog of manufacturers like Superlift Havoc offroad Rugged Ridge and more. Click the link in today’s Show notes or head over to RealTruck.com slash blog for the complete compendium of Real source titles.
Speaker E: Welcome to Fabricating Frenzy with Larry, also known as Jeeping mo, whose hair is not curly.
Let’s talk about the axles in your JL and your JT
Speaker B: All right, everyone, so let’s talk a little bit about the axles in your JL and your JT. And it was actually the conversation that we heard in the voicemail from Steve O that kind of drove this segment.
Tony: Isn’t that cool how that worked out? I thought that was pretty cool because I knew what was coming.
Announcer: Yeah.
Speaker B: And I didn’t post, uh, the topic I was going to talk about until just a little bit ago. But let’s talk about the axles in your JL and your JT. Now if we look at, uh, the lineup on what axles are being offered, one thing they did a little different on a JL and JT is what you would normally call a Dana 30 and a Dana 44 axle. Now, they’re identified with an M M designate whether you have the M M 186, M M 200 or M M 220. And new configuration refers to the ring size in millimeters. So the M M 186 is a 7.2 I’m sorry, 7.32 M M 200 is a 7.87 ring and an M M 220 is an 8.66. And that’s typically what’s in all your Rubicons and, uh, your JTS and all those. So when you hear M M think ring size so there are many different configuration of these axles for a Wrangler. Now, for the information that was a little bit hard to find, I searched over Jeep’s website and most of it came out of forums.
Tony: Isn’t that strange? I’ve had the same issue. Uh, for example, um, the front axle on my JT is an M M 210.
Speaker B: Yes. And you would think that you could go right out to the Jeep website and just get a list of all the available axles or, uh, in the build sheet or something. But I literally had to dig it all out of forums. So I’ll give them a little credit to the people running a lot of these forums. So let’s talk about the Rubicon model. Now, it has a Dana M M 210 axle in the front and an M M 220 axle in the rear. Unlike any of the other JL models, these axles all measure 68 inches wide, making a mention and a half wider than a Sport, and I, uh, always want to call it a Sierra, the Sahara.
Tony: You got the same problem I have?
Speaker B: Oh, yeah. They get me all the time in a discord room. And it’s two and a half inches wider than the models that came in. A JK oh, my goodness.
Tony: I had no idea.
Speaker B: I was a little shocked by that also, when I seen that number, I didn’t think they were that much wider, but they are.
Tony: Mhm M let me just add real quick that, uh, the Sport and Sport S Gladiators, uh, ah, are available, uh, for Max tow package. And the Max Tow package is the M m 210 and the M m 220. So, um, if you have a Sport Gladiator model, if you bought it used, it’s always possible that, uh, it has the Max Tow. And the axles is one of the things that are more, uh, better. Uh, I think an alternator is a 250 amp alternator and yada yada. But, uh, yeah. Uh, so I know this because I went through all this when I was looking at getting the Gladiator and a, uh, thicker tube. Yes. Well, it’s the Rubicon axles, uh, minus the lockers.
Speaker B: Right. So the wrangler sports come with the Dana M M 186 front and, uh, Dana M M 200 for the rear. Now, just like the Sahara, these axles Sierra only measure Sierra sahara. Whatever. They only measure 66 and a half inches. You’re going to really screw me up now. Right.
Tony: I know. That’s what I was going for. Sahara.
Speaker B: No. Damn it. Tony so, the Sahara and the Sport are available with the Dana M 220 rear axle, which comes as part of a limited slip differential. Now, that’s where what Stevo was talking about. That limited slip will take a friction modifier also. So that’s where the different lube comes in, because I couldn’t initially find why they would change the lube, uh, in the axles. And then when it popped up that it had the limited slip differential yeah.
Tony: You have to have, like, friction modifiers and stuff in there, right?
Speaker B: Yeah. Because if you remember, right, the old Posey track rear ends from years ago, that was always you had to install the friction modifier after you put the fluid in.
Tony: My, uh, Chrysler Eight and a quarter in the XJ had a limited slip in the back of it. Uh, and of course, it has a locker in there now, a really good non, uh, limited slip. Uh, but, yeah, I remember learning about friction modifiers and the fluid way back then. Of course, by the time I changed the fluid, uh, I’m sure that limited slip was a permanent slip.
Speaker B: Yeah. And that was something we talked about. Not to go off on a tangent, but we talked a few shows back about the transfer case in, uh, like the 392 and some others who have clutch packs in them. Whether or not that took a friction modifier. That’s something we still haven’t found out yet.
Tony: Mhm. I bet you it does.
Speaker B: I bet it does, too. But don’t put it in yet.
Tony: No, the G talk show told me.
Speaker B: Yeah, then you’re hate mail, too, nikki G. Yeah.
So foot of Gladiator, there’s not as many axles used, and I don’t think anybody’s upset
Speaker B: So foot of Gladiator, there’s not as many axles used, so the similar, the M M 186 is not part of the lineup, and I don’t think anybody’s upset by that.
Tony: Oh, God, no. I think the Wrangler owners would love to have the Dana 44 in the front on all the models.
Speaker B: Absolutely. And for the most part, all the JTS get the M M 210 front axle. Now, uh, if you get the Sport model, you get the M 220 with the standard tubes. But if you get the Sport S with the Max tow, the Rubicon, the Mojave, and the high altitude, you have thicker tube, ten millimeter wall, uh, axles, and they’re inch and a half, uh, wide. I got to look at that. It’s inch and a half wide track axle. So I guess they’re inch and a half wider than standard. Now, the Rubicon and the Mojave have rear lockers in them. The Rubicon is still the only version that has lockers front and rear and high altitude. It was listed that it has, uh, the track lock rear diff. I’m assuming that’s probably your limited slip.
Tony: Probably. So I think that’s what mine says.
Speaker B: Yeah, I tried to find it. I was all over the site, and there’s so little information out there. So the one thing I did find, though, that the, uh, M 220 that’s in A JT is not the same as the M M 220 that’s in a JL.
Tony: See, that’s just pissing me off. There’s a number there. They’re the same.
Speaker B: They are the same. But you know how we know that? Because the control arm skids that I build, I build them specifically for, uh, the Wrangler 220 when I sent you.
Tony: Ah, that’s right.
Speaker B: I was shocked that it didn’t fit. And that’s when I did a little more research. Your control arm mounts and your shock mounts are different on the JT 220 versus the Wrangler 220.
Tony: Put a letter or something on that, like an M M 220, JT, or, um, mouse or anything that differentiate it. Yeah.
Speaker B: But there’s definitely some differences. Now, one thing I couldn’t find much on, and I have to assume there’s probably some difference with the four x E rear axles, there really was not much information because they referenced things like, uh, true spin rear ends. I kept finding stuff like that, which I assume was probably the track locks or the limited slip. So I think for the most part, I think that they’re the standard axles. But I’ll, uh, put the disclaimer out there. I could not find anything that says that they’re the same or they’re different. So if you have a four x E, and you’ve had it apart, give us a call and let us know if your four X E Dana 44 M 220 rear axle is any different.
Tony: Mhm now, I’ll say we’ve been trying to get Dana. I mean, I literally talked to somebody out at EJS this year that, uh, works for Dana and we’ve really been trying to get them on the show. And I guarantee you’d be asking them questions about this stuff because I love to hear directly from the manufacturer all about these numbers and also to give them a little chatter about the, uh, why is the M 221 thing for one vehicle and the M 220 is a different thing for another vehicle then they’re both Jeeps. Uh, I mean, it’s fine. I’m sure there’s a reason, but I’d like to understand it.
Speaker B: Right. That’s an interesting thing. If you go to Dana Direct, they have all the high end axles there. So if you’re wanting like, uh, the big Dana 60 rear ends or front ends and all of those, you can get all that factory from Dana as well. You don’t have to go to some of the other not there’s anything wrong with any of the other brands. But if you want to stick with a Dana, you can buy Direct and get all the high end axles you get everywhere else as well.
Tony: What’s your opinion on the Dana axles? I love Dana Axles. I mean, to me, that’s what the axles are, uh, what axles should be. Is there any reason to go with something other than Dana? I mean, unless you’re a monster truck or a bouncing Buggy or something?
Speaker B: Yeah, I would think so. For me, I would say for an average Jeep, I think they’re perfect. If you’re wanting to go high horsepower, like I said, a Buggy. If I’m wanting to run 40 spline axles or if I want to go with a really high pinion, then you have to move out of that and get into more of a special configuration. But for me, I think they work quite well.
Tony: I mean, you could wheel the world on Dana 44s. Right. If the Dana 44 won’t do it, a Dana 60 will.
Speaker B: Yeah, I would say. Uh, and this is just me, I know I’m going to hate mail over this. For me, Dana 44 kind of stops at a 35 inch tall tire. I think if you’re wanting to get you can run 37s if you put the chromali shafts and everything in them. But if you’re wanting to run 40s, those are Dana 60s all day long.
Tony: Yeah. I mean, it always changes, especially whenever you articulate it. But I can’t imagine running more than 37s. Um, yeah. You know what I mean? But, uh, it’s like, uh, 35s are the new, are the new. Then you just keep going.
Speaker B: Yeah, it really depends how you wheel. Right. Because the two of the teammates we wheel with a lot. John and Bill, they run 37s under Dana. Forty four s. And they really don’t have much issues, but if you have a more aggressive wheeling style, I don’t think that axle is going to hang around long.
Announcer: Interesting.
Tony: M. Well, it’s going to hang around a lot longer than a Dana 30 of any year.
Speaker B: Well, that’s one thing interesting, since you bring that up. So when I pulled a Dana 30 out of the front of mine and I put the 44 in it, at least on the newer model, the knuckles, all of that assembly are exactly the same. Yeah. So everything in the C and all of that all of that is the same for the new Dana 30 and a new Dana 44. Obviously, the center section and all that’s different, but everything out by the wheel pretty much the same.
Tony: Very good. Very interesting.
Nikki G. calls from Subaru all wheel drive fest in Utah
Tony: Uh, sorry I interrupted and told you stuff that you were going to cover later in, uh, your segment, but people got to listen to it twice.
Speaker B: There you go.
Tony: From the mind of Nikki G. Hey.
Speaker E: This is Nikki G. And I just got back from the all wheel drive fest where I spent the entire weekend amongst the Hondas and the Subarus. I had a great time. Everything was going great all up until the point where my Jeep decided to make itself a three link front suspension. I snapped off a lower control arm mount. And the worst part was, uh, after limping it back to camp, all the jokes I got from the Bougie Subaru crowd. The one that hurt the most is when somebody yelled out, who had control arm for XJ breakdown. Bingo. Yeah, it hurts being the butt of all the jokes, but that’s not why I’m calling. I’m calling to tell you I just sold a lawnmower on Facebook Marketplace. Yeah, that’s the last time my neighbor wakes me up early on the weekends. All right, boys and girls, I’ll chat you later. Have a good one. Bye.
Tony: Yeah, well, ask those Subaru people, uh, did they make 3 million of that vehicle? Because they made 3 million of these. Nikki G has a XJ. That’s how I know Nikki G from way back. Uh, from the Xjtalk.com Forum days. So Nikki G. Has been around, uh, XJ and the Jeep talk show for a very long time.
Speaker B: A staple.
Tony: Yep. Uh, and coming, uh, up on our next interview episode, we’re going to be talking with Tony Pellegrino about genwight@genwight.com. Larry, uh, are you familiar with Tony Pellegrino and all the things that he does?
Speaker B: Very much so.
Tony: It was a really fun interview, and I think I mentioned this already, but, um, I’m going to mention it again. The very first question I asked in the interview, uh, was, uh, are you moving out of California? It was an interesting answer.
Speaker B: Yeah, that guy is a wealth of knowledge, too. Not only just he doesn’t want to talk Jeeps, but also, if you want to talk Ultra Four. The guy lives it every day, so he’s a wealth of knowledge. Mhm.
Tony: And another question I asked him, I don’t want to spoiler alert the whole interview here. I asked him if he’s going to start making bronco parts. That was another great answer. He is a Jeeper through and through.
Speaker B: That’s a very.
Announcer: Here in Utah. I just got finished listening to episode, um, 912.
Tony: Oh, he’s moving along.
Announcer: M. I uh, love the roundtable and I’d love to be able to be a part of it, it’s just not in my schedule. But, um, anyway, YouTube, uh, yeah, listen to all of them. Watch every mechanic there is. Take the dumb ones, take the smart ones, put them all together, riddle them up. Uh, you’ll get something, you’ll figure it out. And um, uh, the yellow banana. I love watching that car go up the road. Uncle Horn. Every time I see it when I’m down there in the big truck. Uh, yeah, car recon. Met him one time at the station. The truck stopped there delivering, uh, come over and I don’t think he liked me too much. Camera crew didn’t or something. Maybe I was a little too intimidating because I thought we were buddies or something. And I guess people told me I’m kind of intimidating. I’m not big and scary. I may look like it, but I’m not. Anyways, keep up the show man. Love you guys.
Tony: Dr has been mistaken for bigfoot, so I, uh, think that might be the problem with the intimidation. Please don’t eat me.
Speaker B: He calls in a lot. He’s a loyal listener, that’s for sure.
Tony: He has such a friendly voice. He just sounds like a friendly guy. Uh, I just can’t imagine. But yeah, uh, I think I’ve mentioned this before, uh, Dr and uh, you’ve probably heard it if I have, but uh, uh, I uh, saw Matt at, uh, the EJS, um, the Moab Diner. And uh, I didn’t see a situation where, uh, I didn’t want that opportunity to pass. So even though he was sitting down at the table, I went over there and just very briefly, uh, actually I didn’t introduce myself, I just said, hey, I don’t mean to bother you, but just wanted to say hello. And uh, I never said who I was or who I was with. I shook his hand but he looked at me like, who the hell are you and why are you bothering me? I don’t think he actually feels that way. I think that’s just his normal you know how people are, they have a normal way, uh, of looking and stuff. Matt, uh, when we did the interview, super friendly guy. And uh, if I had, uh, scheduled an appointment or if, uh, he wasn’t busy trying to look at the menu and he may have been hungry, hell, maybe he was hangry, uh, I may not have seen that somewhat of a scowl on his face. So I didn’t take it personal. I wouldn’t. And I’d advise you not to take it personal either.
Speaker B: Thought you had his hash browns.
Tony: Yeah, it’s in this pocket. Go diving. All right, so, uh, anyway, get away from that one as quickly as we can. Must have stuff for your Jeep. It’s jeep stuff. Larry. It’s okay.
Jeept: Larry recently saw a YouTube video about a power boost
Tony: So, uh, Larry, I bet you’ve watched this YouTube channel. It’s called Project Farm. And if you’re like me, I never pay attention to the names of the channels. I just know when I see it or if I subscribe to it, it’ll pop up more often. And just let YouTube do the thinking for me. Uh, uh, so this is a guy that does a lot of testing. I mean, he’ll test sockets, he’ll test, uh, electric, uh, drills, electric wrenches. What am I saying? What is the power wrenches? What do you call it? The impact, uh, the electric impact tools. I’ve seen all kinds of things, and he does a very good job of, uh, scientifically, or at least what appears to be so to me, at least a fair comparison. And then he rates these things so you don’t have to. Anyway, uh, he recently saw one about a, uh, power boost. So sometimes your battery is not working, or if you’re in a modern day Jeep, one of your two batteries isn’t working and you may need a little boost, uh, to get the vehicle going. So, uh, he, uh, went through all the various power, uh, chargers that are out there and his results were the NOCO Boost X GBX One 5542 50 A, uh, it’s a twelve volt ultra safe portable lithium jump starter car battery, booster pack, USBC power bank charger and jumper cables for up to ten liter gas and eight liter diesel engines. Good lord, that’s saying a lot, especially.
Speaker B: For a diesel engine.
Tony: Yeah. And, uh, the whole price on this thing is a bit pricey, but then again, it probably will work when you need it. It’s $369.95. And Larry, I don’t know if you remember or not, but we actually, uh, interviewed, uh, the NOCO president several years ago, uh, gosh, it must have been seven or eight years ago, uh, whenever they were, uh, really starting to push their product. And, uh, I didn’t know a lot about it. Uh, uh, we have one around here someplace, uh, but, uh, fortunately we haven’t had to use it. But I’m thinking that anytime you go on a trip, like maybe you’re going to EJS, or, uh, I think it’s just a good idea to have something like this. Although I think it may be like a fire extinguisher, uh, where you’re more likely to use it for somebody else, or like your Winch, you’re more likely to use it on somebody else than yourself. Uh, but it’s always great to have the tools, especially when other people don’t have it. So we’ll have, uh, a link to this, and also to a link to that YouTube video that I watched in the show. Notes for episode 916 from uh. Just go over to Jeeptalkshow.com to see all the information. Well, thanks for listening to this episode of The Jeep Talk Show. If you’ve enjoyed the show, please leave us a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform. Check us out on, uh, uh, this brain for it on Spotify. Uh, that’s a great platform to listen to our show. And if you’re a patreon subscriber, you can actually listen to it in the Spotify app, uh, which makes it nice. If you have multiple podcasts that you listen to, you can listen to it all in one know. Your feedback helps us improve the show reach uh, and helps us reach more Jeep enthusiasts like yourself. Also, don’t forget to follow us on social media. Uh, Instagram is probably the best place to, uh, keep up to date on all the stuff that we do, and sign up for our email newsletter to stay up to date on the latest news, uh, Jeep news and events, and giveaways Jeeptalkshow.com Contact. Finally, if you have any questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes, we’d love to hear from you. Just go to Jeeptalkshow.com Contact and you’ll find multiple ways to contact us. Thanks again for listening and we’ll see you on the next episode of The Jeep Talk Show. Broadcasting sends ten.