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2027 Jeep UNDER $25k

Jeep CEO Antonio Filosa also said the brand aims to grow its hybrid and electric portfolio over the next five years.

The Jeep Renegade will return in 2027 with an electric powertrain and a starting price under $25,000.

Jeep will also launch a new generation of the Compass as well as refresh the rest of its gas-powered lineup

After killing off the Renegade subcompact SUV in 2023, Jeep has decided to bring the nameplate back in 2027, only reincarnated as an EV. Outside of an official name and segment, the 2027 Renegade EV will be a new model that has little in common with its gas-fed predecessor.

The End of Off-Road Events

Is the end of off-road events on the horizon?  As we just reported Jeep’s goal is to expand their EV vehicles in the next FIVE years.

A sub $25k Renegade is amazing.  Are car prices going down for a change?  No matter how much you loved your Motorola flip phone the added ease of use and endless amount of applications you could install on a smartphone, well you just had to let that DUMB phone go into that special box of old phones, chargers, and cases.

Vehicles are going to get so cheap, so smart anyone who is going to an event will drive there on the paved roads and meet in a parking lot.  Loud stereo systems and bright lights will be what people show off.

Sure there will be people like the CJs and older Jeepers we see on the trails now, but there will be less and less of true off-road Jeeps.

I suspect your off-road Jeep will become that Jeep that sits under a tarp and gets taken out on weekends and wheeling trips.

Could we see an end to Easter Jeep Safari?  With EVs and the closing of trails, I can see all of this coming to a head.  You’ll be told what you can drive and where you can drive it.

If you’ve been thinking about getting a Jeep and taking it off-road, or taking your Jeep off-road for the first time, get out there and DO IT!

Newbie Nuggets with Wendy

When do you take your Jeep to the repair shop?

Discuss when you decide to take it. And why or why not

What type of shop – dealer or independent?

How do you find a good shop/mechanic you can trust?

What about a buddy? Good idea? How would you know?

How about DIY?  Where is the best info: IG, YouTube?

https://www.youtube.com/user/backcountrydriver

Fabrication Freenzy with Larry – JeepingMo

Welding on your axle

If you wheel at some point you might need to repair a bracket or add a truss to one of your axles.

So let’s look at some of the differences you will go through when welding them on.

If you’re welding to the main tube or existing brackets, things are much easier. There are a couple of simple things you need to do.

• Remove all dirt and oil from the area.

• Get the area down to the bright metal.

• Make sure you have a good ground location close to your weld. You don’t want the current path to go through bearings or electrical components.  And with that, I typically remove the ground on the battery. Now on the new 2 battery systems, I am not sure about the second battery.

Then weld on your bracket or tab. Sometimes you might be re-attaching a broken off-track bar mount or control arm bracket.

One very important thing you want to look for.

if there are cracks in the weld that you need to repair.

You need to cut out the cracks before welding over them.

You might think the new weld will take care of the crack, but man34.y times the weld will crack in the same location if not cut or ground out.

Now when you’re welding to the center section or on the front C’s the process is a little different.

You must preheat cast areas to weld on them, if not there are going to be issues.

You need to make sure the areas are clean and free of grease and paint.

Cast steel and iron will grow and shrink much more than the tubes in the axle.

I remove the gears and ball joints before heating and welding.

I get the housing as close to 400 as I can, then weld it up.

After welding I wrap it up in a welding blanket, you want the axle to cool slowly.

If the axle cools too fast, there is a good chance your welds will crack.

Now you will need to replace the seals and ball joints.

I have seen people weld on a truss and only weld to the tubes and not weld to the center section.

Not the way I would do it, but I know it’s done.

But welding to the tubes and brackets is easy and not a job you should be scared of, it’s a job most can do.

I would use a 220 welder for welding on an axel, but I know 110 have been used.

If you would like some help on this please reach out to me and I’ll do what I can.

https://www.youtube.com/@JeepingMo

Must-Have Stuff for Your Jeep!

I recently attended the JTS off-road event and there was one thing that I found I needed the most.  All the people that attended the event.  The team members that made the event happen and took everyone on the trails.  John Lee stops at every obstacle to help a brand new Jeeper get over everyone successfully.

You might like wheeling alone, but I think you should rethink that and go with people, and friends, even if they become your friends on the trails.

Thank you to everyone who joined us!

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All right. Hey, I’m Tony and welcome to the Jeep Talk Show, the premier show for Jeep enthusiasts and hardcore off-roaders. Whether you’re new to the Jeep world or a seasoned Jeeper, we’ve got you covered with the latest news, tips, and advice to help you get the most out of your Jeep. All right, guys, you tell me what you think about this. In our news stories tonight, a sub, that means like under water, like the sub type of thing, $25,000 Jeep by 2027. What?

 

Could be interesting. Yeah, I need to hear this story. They’re calling all kinds of things Jeeps over there that we don’t agree with. So keep that in mind. And in off-roading, coming is, oh, I’m sorry, is off-roading coming to an end?

 

No. You’ll see. You’ll see when we get there. Great. I got an argument for you. I mean, it’s not that I know anything. I just have an argument for you. In newbie nuggets, let’s discuss when it’s time to take your Jeep to a repair shop. Oh my God, the dreaded repair shop. Here we go. It’s like sending your kid off to camp, but not fun. Why are you in there? Yeah, scary thought. And in fabricating frenzy with Larry, welding on that axle. All right. That’s, this is a good topic because I think this confuses a lot of people with that cast iron stuff. A lot of people say you can’t weld on cast iron, but you can. And I suspect that’s what you’re going to talk to us about tonight. Yes, you can. And in our must have stuff for your Jeep, this is the one thing I think you must have when you go off-roading. Oh, this would be good. Trail.

 

A Jeep. No road.

 

Wait, four wheels, no five. I don’t know. Oh, a unicycle. You can go off-roading in a unicycle.

 

Are you ready? It’s time for the Jeep dog show with hosts Tony, Josh, Wendy, and Chuck.

 

Well, howdy, it’s Wendy and gosh darn it. I hate to admit it, but ghost rider, is that the repair shop?

 

Hi, I’m Larry and let’s do some welding.

 

All right. So in 2027,

 

Jeep under $25,000, not $25,000, not $26,500, not $27,000, not $24,000. Well, I guess it could be $24,999. Yeah. It would be a way to work that. But wait a minute. I mean, it doesn’t necessarily mean you’re talking about our Jeep. You’re talking about one of the brands underneath Jeep. Is that what you’re thinking? One of the models. Yeah. So they’re talking about bringing the dreaded

 

renegade back.

 

Okay. Well, they’ve got a place. It does. And it’s actually a little capable vehicle off-road. I mean, it’s very deep in the earth and there’s fire and lava, but they do have a place.

 

But how are they bringing it back? Like, are they just gonna? E V of course. Of course. As they take the gas away. Great. Mm hmm. I don’t know this to be true, but I suspect that a lot of this has to do with Tesla’s drive to have a $25,000 EV sub $25,000. And I think, and I respect Jeep for actually going this direction because they need to be able to compete with Tesla as do all the other manufacturers need to be able to compete with Tesla. But I think Ford’s already thrown in the towel.

 

It’s going to be interesting on that renegade. Like where are they going to put the batteries? Because it’s already a small little compact thing. It’s a trailer. Yeah. So many of them nowadays use that roller skate that basically it’s just the lower chassis, the batteries in the floor, whatever. What body do you want? Exactly. Mm hmm. And the battery pack or whatever is actually, well, at least in Tesla, it’s actually the part of the vehicle. It’s the midsection that the front and the back bolt onto or however they do it. So it’s an integral piece of the body or of the frame.

 

Be interesting. Yep. So the Jeep Renegade will return in 2027 with an electric power train and starting price under $25,000. Jeep will also launch a new generation of the compass. Oh, thank God. As well as refresh the rest of the gas powered lineup. So that actually means it’s going to, they’re going to be doing something to the Jeeps that we consider Jeeps.

 

So then if they get a big version, will it be a grand compass?

 

It’s going to be one of those really fancy compasses that the kid and the Boy Scouts had you and you just hated them because it folded out, did all this kind of crap and you could eyeball it. So compasses, those compasses were pretty cool. They didn’t know how to use them, but they sure did act like they knew. But anyway, after killing off the Renegade sub-combat SUV in 2023, which I think all gave us hope, Jeep has decided to bring the Renegade back in 2027 only reincarnated as a EV. And if you’ve been hiding under a bush, that’s electric vehicle. Outside of an official name and segment, the 2027 Renegade EV will be a new model that has little in common with its gas fed predecessor. So they’re going to redesign it as well? Like it’ll be a different body style. Well, like Larry was saying, I think they’re going to have to at least the portion where the batteries go. Well, so I understand that, but you know, it kind of has its own draw that little boxiness to it and squareness to it. So I don’t know. Yeah. But if you look at all the models Stellantis makes, there’s so many small cars that if you will, any one of those can be retrofitted to an EV and you’re not wheeling with this thing anyway. So we really, what you’re talking about is an on-road vehicle with a Jeep brand. It’s an EV. So it doesn’t really matter. It fits the mandate of, Hey, we got EVs, but we’ll not have to go after the stuff that we like. Why? And it’s small. So that means it should be lightweight minus the batteries. And those are the kinds of things you need for any kind of decent range in an EV. Yeah. Let’s call it what it is. Cafe standards come down. If the more of those EVs you sell, the better cafe standards are. They also are having issues selling EVs right now. I mean, if you look at any kind of news thing about any vehicle, they’re all having problems. They’re struggling. I mean, look at how many customers are sitting and waiting to be sold that are just sitting around. Well, they’re expensive.

 

They all are, you know? Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, I’ll go back to the cell phone technology. Whenever the cell phones were only being used for playing snake and making phone calls, those were really nice. It was amazing to have that level of technology where you could just be pretty much anywhere as long as you were close to a major thoroughfare and you could make and receive phone calls. You could make and receive phone calls while you were driving around. Oh my God. The technology was amazing. And then smartphones started coming out. I mean, I don’t know about you guys, but the Motorola flip phone was the phone to have. That was like Star Trek. And then the smartphones came out and now you can do all the same things you were doing before, but you can load up apps and the battery life was a lot longer and not at first, but it got longer. And now can you imagine having that Motorola flip phone or the Nokia phone that the things were Bulletproof. They were wonderful. Oh, the Blackberry, which was a big thing back then. That was big. Yeah. So that was all replaced with the smartphones. I mean, they break easier, but just having the ability to do so many things with it. And do any of you guys talk on the things anymore? I mean, it’s text messaging, it’s sending messages on social media. There’s direct messaging and then there’s not even, I mean, I think most people use text messages because who has time to talk on the phone? Yeah. I still use the phone.

 

Do you do at least one call a day? More than one. Oh, wow. Really? I would love one call a day. Yeah. Yeah. And unless it’s a group text, if I see this going to be more than two or three texts, I’m just going to call you. Yeah. And, and I don’t like the group texts, like a bunch of them, because then it starts dinging all day long. Oh yeah. You got 10 people on there as a group to like, tick me out. Hop out. I’m opting out. It’s funny that the 23 people we had all the group chat on the, at EJS, they just loved the hell out of it, especially Greg Henderson. That was, I asked him ahead of time. He was trying to figure out how to turn the beep off. Yes. But you know, in that instance, there’s not, there’s, there’s places for that. Like if you’re going to run, of course you want to do that. Put everybody in the phone and you can talk that way versus having radios. But when it’s work related or, you know, friendship related, like, no, keep me off the, I don’t, too many people, too hard to keep track. Yeah. And then half the people don’t come up on your phone because maybe they’re just connected to somebody in the group. So you’ve got these phone numbers. You have no idea who said what. I mean, that has got to stop. You need to put your names in there. So I know who’s saying what, you know, I guess that’s a good thing about the social media direct messaging or like the, we like, I like to use the, the Google chat because it has everybody’s name on it and you see exactly who it is that’s making the comment. So yeah. But anyway, I think that this is what’s going to happen with the electric vehicles. I think that the work we’re kind of in the Nokia make phone call stages now, but I think that as it progresses, the, the duration, the, you know, the, the range is going to increase. The, the time to charge is going to decrease. And I think over a period of time, you’re going to wind up wishing, remembering fondly that Nokia and the battery life and how good it was at that one thing that it did, but it just, this what’s available now is just so much better that even though there’s some inconveniences to it, or it doesn’t do things as well as the Nokia does, it far surpasses it and every other way. Like, like for example, expense, not only in the charging of the battery, but also to the longevity of the mechanics of the vehicle, the upkeep of the vehicle. I mean, for, for you, Wendy, a lot less sensors would be, would be wonderful right now. Right. Absolutely. No more sensors, damn codes. Yep. So range is coming up. You know, you see a lot of, a lot of now are getting over 300 miles on a range. If you put that in a little car, maybe even more. All right. So anyway, that’s kind of my feeling on, or this, to telling you about the 25 K sub 25 K Jeep. And again, I’m very proud that Jeep is doing this because they need to survive so they can keep making wranglers and gladiators. And maybe something else that is equally as a prolific off-road. Very true. Yeah. So I’m glad, I’m glad to see this, even though I’m not buying it. If I was going to buy an EV, I would buy a Tesla and I’m not going to buy a Tesla because I don’t want a car. I don’t, I mean, even the Cybertruck isn’t trucking up for me. So, you know, it’s not a truck. Yeah, exactly. That thing is not a truck. Well, and you, and you see them take these Cybertrucks off-road, but I mean, they’ve, they’ve even had one at Hidden Falls. We were just at Hidden Falls this past Saturday and they’ve been, they’ve even had them. Yeah. They’ve even had them out at Hidden Falls. I mean, Hidden Falls is very close to Austin and you know, that’s, they’re making, making them in Austin. So they’ve been out there on the trail, but I mean, you can take anything out on the trails at Hidden Falls, but that doesn’t mean you’re climbing up shelves. That’s right. Yeah. And if I was going to buy an EV truck, it would definitely be a Rivian. That thing’s amazing. Yeah. All right. So, the end of off-road events. Does anybody see this on the horizon? I hope not, but you’re all right. So is the end of off-road events on the horizon? We, as we just reported Jeep’s goal to expand their EV vehicles in the next five years, especially with the sub 25K Renegade, it’s just amazing. I mean, just the idea that you can get something from Jeep, the driver out on the roads, and they’re going to claim you can take it off road. And again, it has to be qualified with what, what off-road means to you or, because they’re definitely playing games, the sales game with the off-road and what’s off-road and what’s not off-road. Yeah. And I don’t know that trail rated, they put on the side of that Renegade. Yeah. I don’t know that that, that everybody understands that though, especially if they’re brand new to Jeep and they’ve never listened to this show or any, any, gotten any information about Jeeps. I can see how that ignorance of not knowing what it takes to go off road. You could be fooled because if, if, if the manufacturer says it’s trail rated, well, there’s, there’s all kinds of trails, all kinds of experience levels that you need to be able to have for those trails. It’s not experienced. What’s it called? The, whenever you call the, the level six and or the colors, what do you call that? Black Diamond? Ratings? Ratings for the trails. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s why they’re listening, Tony, people that are tuning into the Jeep talks for the first time are getting that information so they can hopefully, yeah. But in all fairness, if you’re just doing that, you know, fire roads or back roads, overlanding and stuff like that, you’re not rock crawling or anything like that, then, you know, some of those would be just fine for that until you get yourself in a situation where you need more, which can happen on those trail, all those fire roads. Yeah. Because the washouts, you could have a, you know, like in the desert, we don’t get rain very much, but when they do, man, it just changes the terrain completely because it’s like a monsoon comes through, you know, and it just moves the dirt, moves the sand. So there’s lots of times when roads are exposed and you’ve now you’re climbing down rocks that you didn’t know were there because the dirt covered it, but you get a good enough storm. So that’s probably happened all over the country. Or trees. You can have a change. Trees can come into play. There’s all kinds of things. So again, don’t go out by yourselves. Go with somebody. Take an off-road capable vehicle. That would be the first choice with you. No, I mean, if you want to go out and something in a car, kind of take an off-road vehicle with you and find the one tow point you have on that vehicle. That’s right. So anyway, and you guys are kind of making, making my point here is that the vehicles that Jeep is making, like the, the Renegade, for example, it hasn’t come out yet. We may be wrong. Well, let’s, let’s talk about the Recon or the Wagoneer S or this, the Wagoneer. These are vehicles that are really not made for off-road and even not even made for, for mild off-road, like in situations we were just describing. I mean, you, it may work out just fine for you. You may be able to get from point A to point B over trees and things, but it’s, I think it’s less likely if you cannot modify those vehicles for higher,

 

higher clearance, the differentials, if you have a differentials and the, the bottom of the, the vehicle to the ground, especially like in water crossings.

 

So crying if I had to drag a hundred thousand dollars up and over rocks

 

or through water. I mean, that happens through water. There’s a lot of parts in this country that are, it’s all mud wheeling. So you got mud getting in there and water. I mean,

 

so this is the thing that concerns me is as far as off-roading for the future. The Jeep is moving towards EVs and I haven’t seen an EV yet that is an off-road vehicle or can be modified to be an off-road vehicle. I guess they’re the Rivian. I think you told us about this, Wendy, the Rivian, it has like a 12 inch, the air suspension can be make, you can, raise it up 12 inches. Oh yeah, it’s amazing. You don’t get any more articulation out of, out of the vehicle. Like we do with our Jeeps. So you have wheels hanging up in the air four feet and high. Yeah, but it’s, it’s a, it’s very capable, very capable vehicle. Right. But it’s going to have limits compared to a modified Jeep, right? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. I just want to make sure I was, my assumption was correct on that because I’ve never seen one, certainly never driven one. You haven’t seen one? There isn’t any around you. It’s just, they look different. They look like a truck. I saw one in a parking lot and I saw the inside of it. I don’t like the headlights on it. It’s a stupid looking. And yeah, I’m just not a fan of the Rivian at all. And I don’t think they’re going to be around very, very long because of the expense of them and what they’re, they’re not able to sell them because they’re so expensive. And I think that a lot of that has to do with range anxiety and where you’re going to charge it and all those other things. I think it’s easier to spend 105, $115,000 on a grand wagon here because you don’t have to worry about charging it. So, you know, it’s just wherever the fuel is. At any rate, I think these, I think the vehicles are going to get so cheap and they’re going to be so useful that it just, people are going to say, man, I like the idea of going off road, but it’s so much cheaper to buy this electric vehicle. It’s so much cheaper to drive this electric vehicle. And it’s so much, there’s so fewer mechanical issues that I have to worry about. I would, I would like to have the other, the off-road vehicle, but this one makes a lot more sense for my life. I don’t know. I think there’s a lot of people out there, old and young and in between that love to off-road for what it does. It’s about getting out in the open and exploring things that you can’t get there by a regular vehicle. I just, I don’t see that whole market going away. It might adapt. There are certainly, you know, the hybrids where you have the combustion engine with the electric. We’ve had quite a few of those in classes and very, very capable vehicles. I just, I see that they’re going to have to do some kind of a compromise because I just don’t see us giving up this ability to go out and see all these different things that we see, you know, whether it’s mountains or rocks or trees or it’s desert or, you know, the mud or the ocean or, you know, driving on the beach. I just don’t see it. I like what you’re saying. But again, going back to the Nokia phone, we all gave it up because this other, the other phones were just so much better to use. Well, I know they’re going to try to push it to make it look like we should give it up, but I’m saying, well, and even, and even to the point where you know, I still want my Nokia. Well, sorry, we’re not making them anymore. That’s my other concern is if they’re selling these, um, non off-road GPV’s and everybody’s buying those at some point, you’re not going to have the sales to support Wrangler, gladiator, everything else. Hope not. Yeah. Everybody who wants to get out, I’ll be driving older jeeps, right? Yeah. And that’s, that’s what I was going to say. The CJ’s, what was the military jeep? Um, the flat fenders and stuff, the ones Chuck used to like, the MBs. So then you can have, you have a core group of people doing that. It’s fun to see them out on the trail, but how many of those do you see? Well, I mean, it could come a day when a jail becomes, you know, the CJ or JK like I have older technology. And I

 

see that. And then that means you’ve got your, your, because it doesn’t make any sense to drive these old jeeps on the road because they’re too expensive. They caught too costly for breaking down. Now you’ve got it. You got it outside with a tarp over it until you’re, unless you’re going to go off road or driving around the weekends. So we don’t have daily driven jeeps because we’re going to be driving the EVs because of the expense, the mechanical, uh, less fewer mechanical failures, so on and so forth. So I fully expect for the next 40 years, there’s going to be jeeps and they’re going to go off road as long as they don’t shut down all the trails like they’re doing at Moab. And, uh, as long as gasoline is still available, because we don’t know what the government’s going to do. So anyway, my point to this is, and I’m not painting a rosy picture. It certainly could be a buzzkill, Tony. It certainly, well, welcome to the Jeep talk show. Aren’t you glad you tuned in today? My point of this is, is that I can see a decline in off road, not, not necessarily because people don’t want to go, but this, that they just really can’t afford it. It doesn’t make sense, financial sense to go down that, that off road, if you will. So what you should do now, if you don’t have a jeep, buy one and take it off road. If you’ve got a jeep and you’ve never been off road, take it off road. Yeah. You need to experience what we’re, what we’ve all experienced here, because it could be gone in the future. And don’t even get me started on flying vehicles. Cause if you got a vehicle that can fly and hover and everything else, why the hell would you go off road? Oh my God. Why do I envision an XJ flying through the trail now? I love that. I’ve loved that idea. There’s still springs falling off of it, but it’s flying. Oh my gosh. But you, but you see what I’m getting. I mean, if you guys think I’m totally off base, I mean, I think you guys do feel free to say something. You don’t have to agree with me. I’m just worried about it. I don’t think you’re totally off base. I think it’s something to be concerned about. And I think we need to push. That’s why we talk about staying involved with different clubs and organizations to keep these trails open. You want to do in your part time. Blue ribbon coalition. I was going to say trails off road, but not trails off road. Always get the other one. What’s the other one? Tread lightly. All those organizations that help keep the trails open. So you can go and hopefully your kids can go and your grandkids can go. I just, I’m just not looking forward to the day where you, you don’t have an off road vehicle. You go to Moab, you get into the vehicle like, like Disneyland, it’s on a track and it just, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s no driving. You’re just on the track going through the mountains and stuff. That’d be awful. Well, I kind of view that as it is now because they tell you stay on the trail, stay on the trails. What’s the difference between that and being on a rail at a park. Stop when you want to, or you need to, or you want to, you know, look at you, they’re not going to do that on a rail. It’s going to put you through and move you along like cattle. Let’s go. Yeah. Well, I don’t know. I think it’s kind of like that now. So an off road inspired platform deserves an off road inspired suspicions to match. And there’s no more qualified chassis than a Jeep. Is it Chassis or Chassis? Cause I don’t see an IE on there. I see Chassis. I think it’s Chassis. What about Arkansas? They don’t spell Arkansas right either. Uh, then a Jeep Wrangler with a lifetime of off road conquest across the globe, Jeep, CJ and Wrangler generations are undoubtedly the most iconic off road platform that has ever existed. Ding, ding, ding. Uh, while Jeep rungers roll off the assembly line with a respectable off road pedigree and performance, that is not to say there isn’t room for improvement, at real truck, they offer all top products to do, uh, do ranging from standard lift kits to performance oriented long arm systems. Regardless of the terrain you plan to navigate your style of driving or your preference of aesthetics, they carry a suitable suspension system for your Jeep, JK and JL. If you want to transform your already capable platform into a rugged off road ready machine, stay tuned for our list of top lift kits for Jeep Wrangler. And in this article at realtruck.com slash blog, uh, they cover body lifts to coilovers and it is an excellent article to read. Just search for best lift kits, Jeep Wrangler at realtruck.com slash blog. I have to check it out for the coilover. I haven’t, I was surprised they had coilovers on there because callovers is pretty advanced, a pretty advanced situation. At least I think so. I’ve never, never had coilovers. I’ve seen a few rigs that do and, uh, I just, I still find it, uh, I know it’s not a shock, but in, in, in my mind, when I first saw that, it was like, they’re, they’re holding that body up with four shocks. That’s just amazing. Right. Shocks and coils. So anyway, uh, and I asked at the top of the show, ever had sidewall damage in the middle of nowhere? Thank God all of us here can say no, but that doesn’t mean it’s never going to happen. Uh, Glutread allows you to repair the sidewall of your off road vehicle in just a few minutes without removing the tire from the vehicle. Glutread sidewall patches are designed to be temporary repair. I’m thinking of something here. I’ll tell you in a second, temporary repair, but to stay on for hundreds of miles. Uh, off road only people don’t know. I know what you’re thinking. Glutread has slashed all four tires and repaired them with just one kit on the Rubicon trail. Glutread’s most popular kit is just $24 Glutread’s newest kit. The expedition kit is practically a spare tire itself and comes with everything you need for sidewall damage. I would like to see Glutread take their kit or maybe a couple of kits and make a tire out of patches. Out of patches? I think that would be hilarious.

 

Getting the bead done right would be a little difficult. Well, they could cut away all the tire except the two rings for the beads and then just make a Glutread tire. Patch it back together. Yeah. It would be, hey, that’s a great name for it. That would be a great name for it. Patches. You could call the tire patches with some of the stuff. Yeah. Some of those stuff that, uh, we’ve seen people do off road, uh, just to get back to camp. Trust me, I could see somebody building a tire. I’m low on glue. I’m feeling great though. All right. So, uh, the, uh, when it comes to, oh, that, uh, that kit, uh, the new kit they have, it comes with T handles, uh, a Kodora bag and they are both made in Montana. You can save, yeah, you can save 10% with code JeepTalkshow10. Uh, and just a reminder, this is for off road use only. I’m not going to say that nobody’s ever used this for on road for many, many miles and many, many weeks or months, but it’s not made for that. So don’t do it. It’s not road legal. Oh, and, uh, Patreon subscribers can get even better discount from glue tread on the $5 and higher subscriptions and to get access to this desk discount and many more sign up at our Patreon. Oh, and by the way, uh, this is kind of one of those things where you, this is different from that $5 subscription, but I’m going to remind you. I want to remind you anyway, we have a special going on right now that is 30% off our Patreon subscriptions. Uh, so $3 and 50 cents a month. It’s a limited time with a limited number of subscriptions available. Uh, you’ll help support the show you love and get ad free content, sign up for a year and lock that price in place.

 

What? Where’s the noob? Noob, noob, noob, noobie, noobie, noob, noobie, noobie, noobie, noobie. It’s time for noobie nuggets. Well, guys, let’s have a discussion about when do you take your Jeep to the repair shop? And I know between all three of us, we would probably never, ever want to do that. But in my case, my master mechanic bill is unable to kind of do things for us. So I’m just going to ask you guys, what is the decision or when do you guys kind of decide that you have to take it? Like, what is the repair that needs to be done that you just say, I can’t do this. I got to go to a repair shop. Yeah. I’ll just say for me, so I have a jail. So if it’s got codes and stuff like that, I don’t even blink by taking it in, having to read all the codes and all of that, because there’s some codes that I can’t read it, O’Reilly’s or something like that. And then, so mine was recently in for cam phaser seals and stuff like that, because you had to rip the whole top of the engine off and it was under warranty extended. But I mean, that whole top of that engine had to come off. And I’ll say the cost of it really wasn’t that bad. And there’s so much opportunity with the newer Jeep, with all the sensors and all of that opportunity for issues. I didn’t think twice about, you know, for that. Yeah. Well, you pretty much got to, well, there’s warranty involved. I mean, because you can damage so much stuff or cancel that warranty in the process. Right. But I’ll just say even when it comes to the point where it happens again, more than likely it’s going to go back in depending on what their quotes going to be. I mean, it was under warranty and still cost me three or 400 bucks. Yeah. So what kind of a shop do you guys kind of think about? And this is for listeners too. Do you go back to a dealer? Certainly if it’s under warranty, you kind of have no choice, but what about an independent, you know? And that’s sort of the question is when you’re new in the Jeep world and something goes wrong, it’s easy to just run back to the dealer. But I’m not sure that’s always the best deal. You know, I think sometimes you can, if you’re new and don’t know what you’re doing or don’t know how to read the codes or understand what’s happening, I think you can get in trouble there too. But then again, there’s dealers who are fabulous. So yeah, I think that it comes down to what are you looking for there, right? If you’re talking about stock type stuff, you know, then dealer is okay. If you have a corner shop that you’ve worked with, but now all of a sudden, if you’re talking about suspension and things like that, then you need to find a more specialized shop because the dealer is not helping you and most local corner shops aren’t helping either. Well, I think the dealership thing, and this is an iffy thing, you guys know, I’ve talked about this before. I don’t like anybody working on my Jeep because they don’t care about it as much. But with a dealer, the potential you have trained mechanics on the vehicle that you’re taking in, they have the equipment to hook it up to the OBD2 and maybe other places and diagnose the codes. And they should, I don’t know if they all do, they should be reading the service bulletins. And that might even come up on the computer, depending on the code. So there may be service bulletins about known issues and their experience with fixing problems on the Jeep. They may go, Oh, I’ve seen this before and be able to fix the problem quicker. But at the same time, they could not know their ass from a hole in the ground and keep giving your Jeep back and it’s not fixed. Yeah, I think that’s, I hear sometimes too from dealers that somebody goes in with a certain issue or, Hey, I hear this ticking sound. What is it? And that’s hard too. If you don’t know what the problem is, I think that also opens the door to, Oh my gosh, how much is it going to cost me? I think that’s where maybe an independent can come in. If you know the mechanic and say, look, this is what I’m hearing, you know, can you try to help diagnose it? And again, it’s a trust factor. So you guys are guys walking into an independent or a dealer. You probably get a little bit better opportunity to resolve it quicker than myself as a gal walking in who maybe they think I don’t know what I’m doing, or maybe I do, you know, who knows. And there’s a lot of women that wheel that know what the heck they’re doing. So how do they get treated? Well, that’s what you can, you can know how to wheel and not understand the mechanics of the vehicle. So, um, it’s, it’s nothing wrong with that. Um, but I would say, and I don’t, I can’t say this is a hundred percent, uh, because I think you do have to have a bit of a knowledge base to be able to call BS whenever they say it, but I don’t tell them what the problem is. I don’t tell them that this is the issue. This is what you need to look at. I will ask them. And then if it doesn’t jive with what I think it should be, or it doesn’t make sense to me, I’ll ask questions because that way you’re not in a conflict. You’re learning from them. And if it gets so far deep into it where I’m sure it’s bullshit, I’ll just tell them, uh, no, that’s not how this works. And you know, blah, blah. And then at that point it’s like, okay, I’ve got to actually diagnose and work through this thing. I’m not going to be able to BS this person. And if they continue on, I talked to their manager. Right. And I think that’s helpful too. We do have an Autel OBD reader, which is a little bit better than you would find at pet boys or one of those guys. Um, but it’s not the top of the line that they have a dealership. So getting a deeper dive and things like that, but we can actually run diagnosis while the jeep’s running and also deep dive into what it is. So, you know, we’ve had a bunch of codes on our Jeep. It’s been thrown codes. I replaced that camshaft position sensor three times. I’m over it. Um, it frustrates me that what the reader’s telling me is the problem we fix and then it doesn’t do it. So that’s kind of why the Jeep is now going and it’s gone actually at a shop. Yeah. And that’s, and that’s one of the big, I’ll say a misnomer with, uh, with, uh, with code readers, code readers, a lot of times will give you an area, but they’ll only give you the area. They won’t give you the 14 things that could be caused in that. It’s specific. It’s just not, it just doesn’t work that way. This one right now, this is your general area, North America. But that’s why I think that everybody needs to establish a, some kind of relationship I’ll say with a small repair facility, because while my newer Jeep I take in, if I, you know, I have a lot of older vehicles

 

and I try to always find a shop in the area that can work on the older vehicles that I trust and I’ll feed them a little work here and there just because I want them around when I really, when I really need them. That’s a good point, by the way. And, uh, you know, there’s times when you’re going to need a shop, even if you work on a lot of your stuff, there’s going to come that time when either you don’t have time or it’s just, you know, you just have to take it in. Like the little shop that I work with in town for my older vehicles, if I can’t figure out what it is, I’ll take it in and I’ll have them diagnose it. And they know I’m going to do the work and I know I’m going to have to charge them. They’re going to charge me some diagnostic time. But if I ain’t got time to diagnose it, but I’ve, I want to use my time, I’ll say smart. I’ll let them diagnose it, tell me what it is. And then I’ll, I’ll fix it and bring it back to them. You know, if, if it’s, you know, inspections and stuff like that, or I buy tires, I’ll buy a tire for them versus a discount just to keep throwing them a little bit of work just so they, so they stick around. Yeah. Well, and that’s a good point about DIY yourself. Um, if you could get the diagnosis and you knew what it was, but again, where does somebody brand new look for that? Is it Instagram, YouTube, probably. I mean, I’ve done my research on YouTube. I, I got some additional help. I went on discord and asked everybody there for some input and I got some great, great information. And through that we’ve done a couple of additional things that you’re right. The code reader didn’t tell me we needed to do this as well. Right. Well, let me ask you this. How did you pick the, the shop that you have your G-pad now? Because we, we know who they are and how good they are. How do you know somebody told you, there you go. And also through wheeling with them and knowing. So that’s the other thing. How do you know to pick the right person? You got to get out and do stuff. You got to get out and meet people. You don’t, I mean, and you can’t trip the trust the Yelp reviews.

 

So there’s a, there’s a good explanation as how Wendy found a shop. Uh, we don’t know if they’re any good or not because they haven’t fixed her problem and I’m, I’m just, I’m just giving them a hard time. Pretty sure they’re going to get fixed it, but yeah, we’ll see. Yeah. I’ll do an update later. So it’s talking to people and that means if there’s people that you, that you go wheeling with, and you trust them, you can touch base with them and say, Hey, have you ever had your vehicle in for repair? And where did you go? And you may find that a local dealership is just did a wonderful job and then, you know, you could take yours there. So, uh, word of mouth, I think it’s going to be the experience that other people have had. I think it’s going to be the big, the big thing there. Um, I just kind of talk to the people, uh, like, uh, oh, and, uh, for example, you were talking about, uh, you’re eventually going to have to take your Jeep in to have it work some, fix someplace. Um, unless you’re trying, unless you’re willing to change out the, the yoke and not yoke, the opinion, uh, and yoke three times or the ring and pinion three times to get it right. You probably want to take your, your vehicle in to have the, uh, the, the ring and pinion changed up to change the, the gear ratio. And also to, to have lockers installed because I don’t want to do either one of those things. I’d like to know how I’d love the, I love the idea of just buying the parts and sticking them in there. But my God, you know, that’s scary as hell. Yeah. Anyway, I thought it was just a good topic to have. And somebody listening might think, Hey, I’m in a position where I just really don’t know what to do. And I just think it is like we just sort of summed up getting out and meeting people, asking a few friends, see what their experiences have been and what kind of work has been done, you know, and there are some excellent dealers out there. Dealerships are great. Great independence. And then you’ve also got the opposite side on both. So you just gotta, it’s a crapshoot. And, and, and, and, and unfortunately we can’t tell you exactly. Uh, I mean, we might know of somebody in our area, but are you going to travel 500,000, 1500 miles to get that done now? So, uh, it’s, it’s, you got to research it locally. Yep. Yeah. I think you, I was just, I was just gonna say, I think you also need to treat that a lot of times people think of a mechanic as just some of you just, you only gonna, you’re only going to go there when you’re broke down or something, but don’t be afraid to go out and try to do some legwork before you need one. Right. See a couple of shops in the area and go, and go talk to them for a minute. And you know, most, if you walk in and start talking to somebody and your spider senses are going off, well, it’s better to find out then than when you’re broke down. That’s so true. That’s a really good suggestion. And you, the listener, if you have any tips you want to add to us, please reach out to us. Jeep, Jeep, Jeep, talk show.com slash contact and let us know what your opinion is on this. And where can they find you guys on YouTube, Wendy? Uh, trails, four one one for us on YouTube. Um, and also the website. Excellent.

 

Oh, welcome to fabricating frenzy with Larry, also known as jeeping. Mo whose hair is not curly.

 

All right. So if you wheel at some point, you might, you might need to do some repair on that bracket or truss or, you know, on one of your axles. So let’s, let’s do some, uh, let’s talk a little bit about the differences when you’re trying to weld some of that stuff on your axle. Now, if you’re just welding onto the main tube and I call the main tube, the part that connects everything underneath there,

 

welding on that is much easier and much simpler than trying to weld on it, center section or anything else. So just, if you’re trying to weld on simple things, there’s a couple of small procedures or something that I tried to do that’ll help you as well. So first, obvious ones, you’ll remove all the dirt and oil from the area. They’ll be trying to weld on that. And then whatever you’re wanting to weld on, get that down to bright metal. That way you’re not trying to weld through paint or good or undercoating or something.

 

And then make sure you have a good ground in a location close to your weld. And you don’t want to, you don’t want the current to have to go through a path where it goes through a bearing or electrical components. And with that, you typically want to remove, I typically will remove the negative ground from the battery. Now with that said, how that works on these new vehicles with two batteries. Well, I’m telling you what I do. I just removed the one negative ground. So you’ll have to do your homework there on for that secondary battery. But if you’re trying to weld on a bracket or a tab, sometimes you just, you’re wanting just to reattach, not just weld. Say you got that broken track bar mount or bracket. But one very important thing you want to look for is if there are any cracks. And if there are any cracks in that weld that was holding it at some point, you’re going to want to cut all of that out. You don’t want to try to weld back over that crack because many times you’ll see that it’ll crack right back in the same spot where the old crack was. Now you would think that by welding over that section, that it would eliminate the crack, but it does not. It always seems to propagate right back in that same location. Now, if you’re trying to weld in the center section or in the center section or in the C’s on your front end, that process is just a little bit different. You must preheat that cast to weld it. And if there are going to be a few issues, right? So you want to make sure that the area is clean and free of grease and paint. That’s just like when you’re trying to weld on the tubes. But cast iron will grow and shrink much more than the tube on the axle will. So for me, I remove the gears and the ball joints if it’s a front end before I preheat and start welding. I try to get the housing up to around 400 degrees.

 

And then I weld it up. And after welding, I’ll wrap up the whole thing in a welding blanket to help insulate it and let it cool down slow. Now what’ll happen is if you don’t wrap it up or you just heat a small spot and weld it up, the axle will cool too fast. And a lot of times you’ll see cracks in the welds where you’re trying to weld whatever to that cast iron section.

 

Now, of course, you’ll have to go and replace your seals and your ball joints and that kind of stuff, because, well, heat. So I have seen people just weld the truss on and only weld to the tubes and not weld into the center section. Now that’s not how I would do it, but I’ve seen that done many times. And they do that just to, I’ll say, hold the tubes into the housing and give it just a little rigidity and not have to, so they don’t have to tear it apart. So once again, it’s not the way I would do it. I would tear it all down and weld it in. So you’re actually in the pumpkin section itself, but welding tubes on the brackets, you know, on that kind of stuff, that’s a pretty easy job that you can do and you shouldn’t be scared of. And I would use a 220 welder for welding on the axle because that tube is thick and you need that, you need that penetration. But I know that 110 welders are used all the time, but I wouldn’t be afraid to tackle if you’re trying to weld on a bracket or something like that. Those are pretty easy jobs to do. And if you would like some kind of help with any of that or any help that I can give or advice, just reach out to Jeep Talk Show and we’ll try to get you through it. Very, very cool. And where can they find you? Larry, in case they want to go check out some videos you have. So we have some welding on this topic for certain types of welders and actually welding trusses on and stuff like that. That’s on our YouTube channel, Jeeping Mo. And yeah, it’s all out there. If you have any questions, you can always ask me there or here. The videos are there. So always more than willing to help. Very cool. From the mind of Nicky G.

 

Hey, this is Nicky G. And I gotta tell you, I’m seeing more and more cyber trucks on the road. And the more I see them, the more I don’t like them. I’ve got nothing against Tesla. I just think they charge a lot. That’s why I’m calling. I’m calling to ask, what would happen if you’re driving at the speed of light and you turn your headlights on? Would they still work? What can I say? It’s been a really bad week. All right, boys and girls, I’ll chat at you later and you have a good one. Bye.

 

But as soon as the weekend gets here, he’ll see the light. He’ll see the light. Oh, I love that. Shocking. Hey, on this Friday, which is our interview episode day every week, Friday is our interview episode. We’ll be talking with Adam of jeeping the saloon. Check out their Facebook page and see the upcoming event. I don’t know if you guys, I can’t remember if it’s Alabama or Georgia, where this is now, but you guys can not. Let’s check it out on their Facebook page. But the saloon is right next to this big overhang. Like, I don’t think, I think it’s a natural formation. I don’t think they dug it out, but there’s this huge shelf that you can put multiple jeeps under. It’s kind of like a natural, not table, but like a picnic area, but it’s just all rock. It is so cool looking. And the saloon is right next to that. And they have a wonderful area to go off-roading and they have all these big events and stuff. I hadn’t ever heard of it before this interview. And it sounds very, yeah, it sounds very interesting. So you guys should check it out and have a listen, especially anybody that’s in the, the deep South, it might be close to you. Alabama. Thank you. So yeah, it was a really good, really good interview and really enjoyable finding out about all that stuff. All right. The must have stuff for your Jeep. So I recently attended, I know you guys are getting sick of hearing this. I recently attended the Jeep talk show off-road event. And that we have every year. I have had every year so far. And the one thing that I found that I needed the most at this event, it wasn’t bathroom breaks. It wasn’t water. It wasn’t tools. It wasn’t lockers. It wasn’t tools. It wasn’t a witty commentary because I’m always full of that. It was all the people that attended the event. It’s amazing, isn’t it? The team members that made the event happen and took everyone on the trails. John Lee stopped at every obstacle to help a brand new jeaper get over every obstacle successfully. And that is the Jeep community. I mean, that’s what we do. Sounds like John. Yeah. Yeah. And he was sunburned and so tired for getting in and out of his Jeep.

 

It takes a lot. Good for you, John. Good job. Yeah. He did a wonderful job. He tucked the new jeaper in right behind him and then he made sure that she got over every obstacle and she had a blast. She loved it. That’s what it’s about. Giving first time. Yeah. That experience. She’s going to be hooked forever.

 

That’s good. So you might like wheeling alone, but I think you should rethink that and go with people or friends, even if they become your friends on the trails. Thank you to everyone that joined us.

 

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I need electric buzzer that I can shock everybody. We thought it was time to wave.

 

We’re waiting for you. It’s, it’s, it’s funny. Uh, when Tammy was on the show, uh, even when we weren’t doing video, she would still wave. She would wave. It just makes sense. You’re trying to connect with your audience. All right. You guys have a great night. All right. Thank you. You’re my friend. You’re my new friends.