Episode 1034 – Chris Classic 4×4
Chris Picconi
Chris is the Founder of Classic 4×4 and host of the Classic 4×4 Podcast. Buying a truck is fun and exciting, selling it is not. Classic 4×4 handles every aspect of the sale of your classic, custom or collector truck or 4×4. Our clients include truck and 4×4 collectors, enthusiasts, importers and restorers. As a truck and 4×4 collector and restorer for over a decade, Chris has successfully represented the sale of countless trucks on behalf of our clients and his personal collection. Chris hosts the Classic 4×4 Podcast featuring interviews with fellow classic, custom and collector truck and 4×4 enthusiasts. Guests include prominent collectors, restorers, builders and business people discussing their backgrounds, experiences, projects and collections.
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All right, you boys and girls, it’s time for the Jeep Talk Show interview. Tonight we’re going to be talking with Chris. Chris is the founder of classic four by four and host of the classic four by four podcast. Good naming there, Chris. Keep, keep it all the same. That’s good marketing.
Buying a truck is fun and exciting. Selling is not classic four by four handles every aspect of the sale of your classic custom or collector truck or four by four. Our clients include truck and four by four collectors, enthusiasts, importers and restorers. As a truck and four by four collector and restorer for over a decade, Chris has successfully represented the sale of countless trucks on behalf of their clients and his personal collection. I already hate you, Chris. Personal collection.
Chris hosts the classic four by four podcast featuring interviews with fellow classic and custom and collector trucks and four by four enthusiasts. Guests include prominent collectors, restorers, builders and business people discussing their background experiences, projects and collections. God, that’s got to be fun. I mean, you, because you have a passion and a pain that you guys can deal with together.
And more pain that, you know, the passion leads to the pain is really where it comes out because the with old drugs involved that you have to do. You can’t just look at them and polish them, you know, kind of like Jay Leno does.
It’s the first thing I tell any of my clients that it’s the first time they’ve ever bought a classic or custom or collector truck or four by four is get to know a good local mechanic because things break no matter how great they are. It is how hard is it to get parts? Because I’m sure you have some some vehicles that if you do break apart or it just doesn’t it fails to start to work like an alternate or someone like that. Some of these things you have a very hard time getting something in a new part and you may not even want a new part on it to make sure that it’s what is it period correct? You know, I’ve watched some some YouTube videos. That’s all I know about it. But sometimes you have to rebuild things, right? I mean, you can’t just replace them.
So I’ve done tons of restorations for my own personal collection and obviously represent the sale of tons of restorations for my clients. And I have to tell you, believe it or not, it’s not as difficult as you would think like and we’ll use Jeeps as an example to find a Kaiser or AMC era Jeep part. As crazy as it sounds, a vast majority of those parts I buy on Amazon.
They’re plentiful. They’re out there. There’s a lot of third party companies and parts manufacturers and suppliers that have them out there. And especially when you’re talking about AMC era Jeeps, a lot of those parts cross reference to GM parts. So let me ask you this. What is a classic vehicle? Is it and I don’t know if this is universal across the entire United States, but is it 25 years that it’s 25 years since it was produced? Or what determines that? So every, every state has a little bit different of a definition, but on a federal basis, right? What they allow to be imported into the country as a quote unquote classic vehicles, 25 years or older. So anytime you have a vehicle, so that’s what kind of what I fall into is anytime you have a vehicle is 25 years or older. I consider it. What is the other than just having the classic? What is the benefit or is there any benefit of tax wise or anything like that? And I know this is state by state. But so in general, is there a benefit to having a classic vehicle?
Other than a whole lot of fun, enjoying them and you know, looking at them every day when you open up your garage door, I don’t believe so. But hey, you know what? That’s what it’s all about is being an enthusiast that collects them, enjoys them and builds them the way that they want. I don’t know of any other crazy tax benefits. I think that like the registration is cheaper here in Texas if you have a classic vehicle, but I don’t think you can daily drive it. And then this is specific to Texas.
So I like, for example, I’ve got a 1998 Jeep Cherokee that I drove daily for at least 22 years, maybe 23 before I got the 21 2021 Jeep talk show gladiator. And now I’ve been driving it every day, but I do plan on driving the 98. It was working fine whenever I put it in the garage. But so it is over 25 years. I need to do the math, but I’m sure it’s over 25 years now.
And I’m glad to hear that. I mean, I don’t think that’s a problem getting parts, even though the last XJ was made in 2001. I don’t think there’s a problem getting parts, but at least I have a gladiator that I can drive that in case it is trouble getting parts.
What’s it? It’s funny you bring up something that state by state because I’m in New Jersey. I live in a coastal town in New Jersey, about an hour south of New York City. And here in New Jersey, our car insurance rates are absolutely astronomical because we’re so densely populated. So one of the big benefits of having a classic vehicle is you get to use classic vehicle insurance and classic vehicle insurance is about roughly, I’d say 20% of daily driver, you know, modern, late modern. Yeah. You ready for this? I’ll give you an example, right?
My entire collection, it costs me, and this is agreed upon value. It costs me about her vehicle, about 10 to 15% of what it costs me to insure my daily driver.
They got to do something of insurance is killing us, both health and vehicle and everything else. And then when it’s a pain in the ass to get them to pay when you need it, it’s just insulting. I hate insurance. I absolutely hate it. It’s a necessary evil, but you know.
You put it best. It’s a necessary evil. All right. So let me ask you this and your, and this is, I know this is going to upset the children, but what is your favorite classic vehicle in your collection?
So I’m going to preface this by a statement that makes me a little sad, right? So as of this past Saturday, this is the first time in, since I was 17 years old, so we’re talking almost 25 years that I haven’t had a Jeep in my collection.
I’m sorry. We have to go.
So I’ve had a numerous amounts of Jeeps come and go throughout my, through my collection throughout the years. I actually started collecting Jeeps. My first Jeep I ever bought, my first classic I ever bought was a 1981 CJ seven Omaha, Omaha orange. Um, love it. Said I would never sell it. Ended up selling it last summer to a friend of mine actually. Well, that’s not, at least you can keep tabs on it. I see him in his family. Enjoy it. So, but I’ve had almost every CJ, um, several SJs, but the one I just saw, which sadly enough I just wasn’t using a lot. Was it a clean immaculate 1982, uh, Jeep J10. Yeah. Long bed. Yeah. Have you, uh, and I always get this wrong. Uh, in Twister, they had a great Jeep that hurt me whenever they crashed it. Uh, but I, it’s either a Hondo or a honcho. Uh, it was a yellow, uh, and I, and I just want to make sure everybody understands this. Let’s listen to the show. I am not an old Jeep, uh, person knowledgeable person. My first Jeep was that 98 XJ when I first wanted a Jeep, I found out later that was with the CJs. So I’m learning about the older ones, but I’m a much, much more, a more modern day. If you can consider a 98 XJ modern. Um, so, uh, that, uh, that honcho or Hondo, uh, is that people are screaming at me right now, listening to this. Um, did you ever have one of those because I want one of those trucks. That’s a, isn’t it a J10?
It is. So the J trucks did have a special edition called the honcho edition. It was only available in the town side, or I’m sorry, the step side. Um, uh, it was, they’re very, very, very rare. You don’t see them a lot. You see a lot of tributes. Um, they do great numbers. They are very desirable. Um, there are a couple of collectors I know that have them. Um, and one specifically that has a beautiful patina one. Um, but I’ve actually, you know, out of the thousands and thousands of classic trucks that I’ve come across my plate and I’ve been able to be fortunate to see throughout the years, I’ve actually never seen a honcho, a real honcho. I’ve seen a tribute honcho, but never actually a real honcho. They are short wheelbase, right?
Yeah. The honcho was only available in the short wheelbase. Uh, they call it actually, so we would call it a step side, but they call it the sport side. Um, the, the Jay trucks had two, um, bed types. There was the sport side, which is like a sped, like a, just a step side. We would call step side. And then they had the slap, like a slab side, which they call the town. I think, I think cause my first four wheel drive vehicle was a, uh, a 1983 Chevrolet pickup short wheelbase and it was fleet side and they had step sides available at that time. I didn’t like them, but it’s funny that the honcho, I’ve been, I would love to have one. I’m a big red person, but that yellow, it would have been good too. Uh, so, uh, I have the saying that Jeeps should be bright colors because they’re meant to be seen not black, not, and it’s certainly not white. I get in fights with, uh, with Wendy on the show about white whites. It’s not imaginative. It’s great for wraps though. You can put a wrap on a white vehicle. That’s perfect. Yep. Um, it’s, uh, I, I agree with you. I’ve had some crazy color Jeeps, some rare color. Have you seen the purple one? I call it the Barney purple. Uh, I worked for a guy. I worked with a guy at HP that saw my ex J because I was driving the ex J back and forth to work at that time. And he came and he came and found me and that’s a big place that used to be compact here in Houston. So it’s a huge place. And he came and found me and we were talking Jeeps and ex J’s and he told me, uh, he had a, uh, a very rare purple, uh, ex J and he brought it up there and I got pictures of it, but it wasn’t like a, a, a nice purple. It was like a Barney purple. And I think that kind of cheesed him off when I say, Oh yeah, it’s like, that’s, uh, it’s like Barney.
I think, didn’t they just bring that back for the J K’s or the JL? There’s a Tuscadero, but that’s not a purple. That’s more of a pinkish, a kind of a pinkish purple, which actually doesn’t look bad to me. I like that. It wouldn’t be my choice. Uh, but if my wife had one, I’d drive it, but not a lot.
It’s not manly. That’s fun. Well, I actually, you, you’re ready for this. This first car was a 98 XJ just so you know. So have you ever owned an XJ?
I have actually never personally owned an XJ, um, in my collection. And at this point we’re in market cycle. Actually, it’s amazing. So, so you used to be able to XJs and this is true with every, you know, classic or collector vehicle. They hit a point in their cycle where they just become like throwaway trucks or throwaway vehicles and there’s really not a lot of demand for the longest time. You know, if you want an XJ under 150 or a hundred, a hundred thousand, you could get them for that five to eight grand range, which, you know, was, which was nothing crazy. Now to get a good clean XJ with under a hundred thousand miles. I mean, you’re talking 20, 20 plus thousand dollars. I have not heard that, but I mean, we, we throw them around on, uh, on our discord server. We have a discord server that you’re more than welcome to join by the way. Uh, and we, we throw up pictures and things that we see on Facebook marketplace and ever so often somebody will throw up an XJ where somebody wants $8,000, uh, for an XJ with, you know, less than 200,000 miles, but nothing, nothing’s special. And I remember it wasn’t that long ago, maybe 10 years ago, uh, that, uh, you could, uh, you could drive around, uh, not necessarily looking for XJs, but just in your normal travels and see an XJ and then you drive, you know, by there another week or a month or whatever, and you’d see it, it hadn’t moved and you could go knock on the door and they’d say, this is nine times out of 10. They’d say, Oh yeah, it just stopped running one day. Well, does it turn over? Yeah. Yeah. But it just won’t start. And then you’d say, would you be interested in taking $500 for it? And I’ll get to get it out of here for you. And then you show up with a crank position sensor in a long socket and start up and drive
away. And get you a $500. You know, we’re starting to see now in the market too, which I, I believe in is the ZJs, the ZJs are not throwaway trucks anymore. You can, you can get a ZJ, uh, you know, at a good, decent number these days, but ZJs are really starting to appreciate. Uh, we have a, a listener that we give a hard time to about that. I think this is actually a, maybe it’s a WJ, but anyway, it’s a, it’s a grand Cherokee, uh, with a V8. And he had that issue where, uh, it, uh, he dropped a valve, you know, where the valve seat will come out of the head. Uh, and, uh, he had to replace that. It was, uh, it was pretty funny. Uh, I mean, we felt his pain, but we still give him a hard time about it, but, uh, yeah, he’s doing a lot of work to it. I think he just put a long arm system on it and, uh, he, uh, he out of Oklahoma and he wheels that thing, uh, very nicely. And that’s really all you have to do with a Jeep. I mean, you don’t have to wheel it of course, but, uh, we like that because we’re off rotors.
So do you do any off-roading in any of your Jeeps? I would hope not the classic ones.
Yeah. So believe it or not, most of my collection is all classic vehicles, right? So I don’t really offer my daily drivers. Um, but in New Jersey, we’re very fortunate to have, um, basically it’s a, a combination of a state and national forest, um, which we passionately call the pine barons, which is basically the Southern half of our state. So New Jersey is very, very, um, you know, densely populated, but it’s really the Northern half of our state, the whole Southern half of our state is preserved. And it’s called the pine barons where, uh, we have some access to it. It’s not like BLN BLM land out West where you get to use it as you please, it’s still regulated, but we do have some access to it and it’s got a lot of fun water holes, a lot of sand, um, you know, a lot of runs through the forest and, and it has different levels of, um, of off-roading. So that’s, I will go out there pretty regularly with my buddies. I don’t go out, you know, on my own, but I do go out of somebody’s like, Hey, let’s go out wheeling for on a Sunday afternoon all day long. Cause it’s so much fun. Cause they’ve, especially after a rain, you got some great water. It’s really, it’s very freeing because it takes you away from the environment, especially the negative environment. If you’re, if you’re having to travel back and forth to work, uh, and all that pavement, it’s nice, it’s easy, but it’s nice to get out there where you don’t have all these, uh, all to say at assholes that are, you know, trying to cut in front of you, riding your ass, so on and so forth. You’re out there. It’s a much more relaxed environment. You’re, you’re getting in there with nature and it’s just fun. And it’s neat to be able to do something with a vehicle that a lot of people never do. And actually it scares some people. Just the idea of just getting one wheel over the curb. Uh, and, and, and I think it’s a great thing to know how to do things because you can, because of that knowledge that you gained about being off road, you don’t actually have to be, it’s preferred, but you don’t actually have to be in a four wheel drive vehicle to get around something. You never know when just the knowledge of how, what to expect off road is going to help you, you know, whether you’re, it’s getting to a meeting or, uh, getting you out of danger. So I think it’s a great thing to know. Uh, but I, I personally would much rather have a four wheel drive vehicle driving back and forth to work every day. It’s just cool. I agree. But these things, that’s what they were built for. They were purpose built for off road. You know, that’s why they have four wheel drive in the first place. That’s what they’re built for. Why not use them for what they’re built for? I got, I got two problems with you. Uh, you’re, you’re definitely a Jeep guy and, uh, you’re a podcaster. So I got two things that I can talk to you about infinitely long time, but I need to find out about your business. Uh, I want people to be mentioned that in the intro, I want to find out about your business and this sounds like a dream job. And I, I’m sure that has aspects of it. They’re a pain in the ass, but tell us about classic four by four. What do you do? How do you, how do you, you, you obviously help people get classic four by fours.
Yep. Um, actually more so sell them than, than acquire them. You know, you said it first, you said it best in your intro, you know, buying a truck is fun. Selling is not fun. Right. And that’s our entire, uh, our entire premise is we sell your truck for you while it sits in your garage. So classic four by four is a classic custom and collector truck advisory marketing business, where we represent the sale and handle every aspect of the sale of your classic custom, um, collector truck or four by four from the preparation. Um, so not only the valuation and the advisory, um, when I talk about valuation, you know, I do a full valuation of, uh, evaluation and then valuation of every vehicle so you know where it stands. Um, from a market value standpoint, um, build the strategy to go out to the market, to effectively sell it, um, handle all the preparation, the photography, the videography, the copywriting, um, and then get it out into the appropriate marketplaces that we yield the highest sell price. And then, you know, the fun part, which is what most people hate, which I actually don’t mind is fielding all the inquiries. Cause you get a million different people that inquire. Um, well, you take this, you also have to go through this. No blower, uh, for your J10 classic. I’ll I’ll really like those.
You hear it all. I’ve heard it all. Um, but what happens is when you’re out in the market, people are interested and there’s other enthusiasts that they just want to talk about it and that’s okay. Um, but you know, for my clients, they don’t have to deal with it. I handle every aspect of it, but, and then I also handle the negotiation of the sale, if it doesn’t go to auction as part of our strategy. Um, and that’s where there’s a huge value ad is handling the negotiation of sale because on an average vehicle, I’ll get 10, maybe 12 offers. But before you even counter that offer, I properly profile and qualify that, you know, prospective buyer that’s making that offer.
And believe it or not, like I had a sale recently, um, this is on a GMC action line where I got 12 offers. But as I went through and spoke with those prospective buyers that made those offers, I really balled it down to three of those people making those offers were actually qualified and ready to move. Right. So then you negotiate the three offers that, um, that you have from those qualified buyers and, and then once you’re done with that, you get a sale price, it comes down to the post sale, which is a whole nother bowl of wax and getting all the documentation, transportation, getting everybody paid correctly, safely, securely. And that’s what we do is we handle every aspect of it. So tell me how you, how you handle the money side of it. I mean, this, I’m jumping ahead in the process because I know that there’s, there’s scammers out there and, uh, and I’m sure you’ve seen every type of, uh, scam about, uh, doing the money weird. But, uh, is, is there like a go between, I forget what it’s called, but it’s a, um, uh, you probably know what is it called when you put money up or something and it’s a escrow, exactly. Yep.
Yep. So, um, there, there’s really, and this is one thing that I, I, part of the profile and qualifying is weeding out a lot of those scammers, cause I’ve seen them all a million times, but it’s also making sure that your client, I mean, the client that I represent that owns, that is selling the vehicle gets paid and gets paid promptly and gets paid correctly. And honestly, at this point where it is, if I don’t use a third party intermediary,
um, like key savvy, right? Uh, they’re a partner of mine that I use. I it’s all via wire, um, or cash. That’s it. Um, and I don’t really actually rather not have my clients paid in cash. Cause I don’t want anybody to want to have cash. I mean, I was, I was looking, I was looking to buy a 2000 through actually a TJ and wound up getting a 2003 TJ, but gosh, he was probably 10 years ago now. And I was dealing with people on the Facebook marketplace. Hell, it might’ve been Craigslist back then. And, uh, the idea was, is that, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, then I was, I’d found one and it’s like, yeah, come here. And then, uh, and I said, so I’m supposed to bring you $15,000 cash. He goes, yeah, sure. And I don’t want to walk around with $15,000 in cash. I’m in Texas. I got a Pew pew, but I still don’t want to walk around with $15,000 in cash.
And I, and by the way, we’re going to meet at a police department parking lot or something along those lines. So I got, I would think that the whole money thing has to be a nightmare, especially for people that don’t, don’t do this all the time. And you keep them from doing that. You keep them from that potential danger.
Yeah. I see the scams all the time you have it. And again, this is, I’m representing the cell three to five, sometimes six vehicles a month where I’m well versed in it. I see it. I know how to spot it. I know how to smell it, but the average person just going out and selling their truck that maybe does it once every few years, they, they, you know, as humans, we trust people, right? And I’ve learned in this business, you have to, you can trust people, but you have to properly profile, qualify and be able to spot it. And not, I will say I’m starting to use some intermediaries. There’s some great companies out there that, that handle the, the, the financial piece and all the documentation piece out there. But if I’m not using one of those intermediaries, there’s a cost associated with that and as long as the seller is comfortable, you know, again, I handle all the documentation and then, you know, get them a wire, you know, wires are, are by far the safest way to transact money. Um, nobody’s carrying around a lot of cash. And the fact of the matter is nobody is ever going to take a personal check, but one of the scams I see out there a lot now. And the reason that I do will not advise my clients to take a bank check or a certified check is because those things are being faked left and right. Um, yeah, I think there was one scam where they send you a thousand dollars and they say, Hey, this money got to you incorrectly. Would you send me the money back? And then it’s all before the check clears. So there was never a thousand dollars in that account. Um, so, uh, do, and this is probably, it depends the answer to this is probably it depends, but, uh, do you, when people go to buy one of these vehicles that you’ve sold for somebody, did they go to the owner’s house to pick it up or is there a, someplace that you, that they do the transfer at, or maybe at the tax office or something?
So I believe around 90% of the transactions are purchased site unseen in the class of vehicle market. Um, so, you know, like I’ll give you an example back to that GMC that I just helped that client sell out of, out of Texas, you know, that was purchased by a gentleman in Idaho. Um, we have a very, we have a very efficient and cost-effective automotive transportation network, um, within our country. So to, to have a vehicle transported is not that expensive. My wife and I, um, spend half our year in New Jersey and the other half of our year, especially down in the winter, um, in Charleston, South Carolina. And I always bring a truck or two down there with me, you know, it costs four to 600 bucks to get a truck from New Jersey to, to Charleston, South Carolina. That’s relatively inexpensive. Um, so we have a very efficient transportation system. So I will say I can count on one hand out of all the transactions that I’ve been involved in. I can count on one hand or a local buyer purchased them, but you know, it’s a nationwide, um, and now it’s becoming a global business where, you know, we have vehicles here in the States that people in other countries want, and they’re actually exporting to other countries.
No, actually we bring a lot in from the middle East. We import a lot in from the middle East. Yeah. You’d be very surprised. A lot of the ROW Land Rover Defenders, um, and a lot of the FJ Toyota Land Cruisers, those classics, um, they get actually, they come in from the middle East or South America. Um, so we import more out of the middle East and South America, um, but Europe, uh, Western Europe, um, there’s a lot of, believe it or not, Jeep collectors out in Western Europe that want CJ’s and, and they will pay to have them exported and pay the copious amounts of money to have them qualify to be registered in their home country. Very, very interesting. This has to be a very interesting job. How long have you been doing this?
Uh, for about two years now. So I actually started out as a collector and as a Jeep collector, and that’s where it came from is buying and selling for my own collection and having my podcast, classic four by four podcast. People started to listen to me talk about, you know, you know, I’m very market savvy, I’m very focused on, um, you know, the market itself and understanding valuations and, and buying from my own collection and selling from my own collection, just for fun. Right. Um, and people started to listen to me and started to see me sell my vehicles, um, out of my own personal collection and how I prepared them for photography, videography, all the copywriting and, and the strategies I use to put them in different marketplaces and really effectively sell them for, um, you know, substantial, uh, you know, market rates, um, very quickly. So people started approaching me saying, Hey, wait, would you mind helping me sell my truck? So I just started doing it on the side for a little flat fee. And then next thing you know, yeah, the, the request started growing and growing and growing to the point where I said, I have a business here. I’m just going to start doing this professionally. And I had a great professional career, um, before this, I was a real estate investment banker and then worked in automotive private equity, um, which is why I’m so analytical and market focused. Um, so after I, I basically retired, uh, out of the, that professional career and started, you know, managing and buying and selling for my own, my own, uh, collection, um, people started approaching me. So I said, Hey, there’s a business here and that’s where classic so how bad is it, uh, doing this where somebody will contact you and, and by the way, how do they contact you if they have a vehicle to sell?
Well, you can go on our website, classic four by four.com. Um, you can fill out all the information there, uh, on your specific vehicle. I’ll do an evaluation and get back to the client. Um, usually within the next day on, all right, here’s where, um, you know, the vehicle stands, uh, are you, are you comfortable selling within this, um, within this realm? As long as they are, that’s when we, uh, you know, move to the next step and have the agreement and do all the preparation. So how bad is it when somebody contacts you and maybe you get the first images or something and you go, damn, I want this. How do you keep from not buying everything that you’re contacted about? Other, other than money to pay.
So that’s a little bit of a problem that I have. And I recently just had that with, so I just added a final year, 1980 international harvester scout to, uh, traveler into my collection. And that’s actually where it came from. A collector. Are you buying another classic vehicle?
That’s a, that’s a pretty funny story. It involves my wife is so a collector had reached out to me. My wife and I were down this past winter in Charleston and a collector reached out to me and said, I have this scout, you know, um, I put way too much money into it, you know, not using it anymore. I could only get so, you know, I’m interested in, in selling it. Will you, will you handle the sale for me? Right? He was referred by another collector that I work with and I, I, I did the full valuation, did everything, showed him all the comps in the past 90 days. So he was comfortable with it. And he said, all right, I’m comfortable with that. I said, would you, would you be okay if I bought it? And he’s like, yeah, are you going to buy it within the valuation? And I actually bought it at the top end of the valuation just to, you know, make sure that everything was copacetic and kosher and above board. Um, but you know, honestly, my bought it and that’s actually what I’m building right now and is, we’ll be here shortly. Uh, that’s really cool. Yeah. So it does happen pretty right. It does happen. Okay. Next question. Uh, how much of your living room are you now using to store vehicles? Yeah.
So again, back to my wife, right? So I have a, an onsite garage, but I do live about a hundred yards from the beach. So you don’t want to store old trucks, you know, that close to salt water. So I do have a warehouse. Um, that’s about two miles away from my home inland, uh, which I have packed with my collection. Do you do anything to the environment? Because even two miles away potentially has, uh, some salt issues.
Um, not as much as you would think. Um, but it is climate control. They do have dehumidifiers and they’re anything that I would recommend any collector having, whether you live in the Midwest and in the dry Midwest or on a, in a coastal area, always have a dehumidifier climate control is always going to preserve. Um, how many, how many vehicles do you have in your collection? Uh, classic vehicles. Right now, right now I only have three, unfortunately. So I just, I had four of them what I suspected.
So there was a point, um, about two years ago, a little over two years ago when, um, you know, right before the collector vehicle market peaked in 2022, where I did have eight, uh, classic trucks within my collection. And I will say most of them were Jeeps just so you know, it was a, an 81 CJ seven, a 65 CJ five a tuxedo park Mark four, which is a very, very, very rare Jeep. Um, uh, 1981 CJ seven 1982 Jeep Wagoneer limited, which was the precursor to the grand Wagoneer, um, and 82 J 10. Um, and a couple others, I have a K five, uh, scout FJ 40 other stuff in there. Um, but the bulk of my collection for the longest time was always Jeeps. That’s how I started out was, was collecting Jeeps. Um, and, uh, I got to the point when the market really peaked in 2022, when you have a collection of eight old trucks, it’s, it’s just a lot of work. It’s a lot of time. And I didn’t want to deal with the aggravation anymore. So I said, you know what? I want to pair my collection down to two or three older trucks or classic trucks that I really love that I’m going to use more often. Because when you have eight, you really only driving one or two at any given time. And the others are just kind of sitting there collecting dust and you’re starting them every, you know, every week or so, but I feel bad. I want them, you know, these collector vehicles are meant to be appreciated. And I want people to appreciate them. If I can’t appreciate them, I want somebody else to appreciate them. So the market was a little frothy and imbalanced, uh, in the seller’s favor over 2022. Um, so I launched a bunch of those and sold a bunch of those into the market, um, and really pared it down to, I like to stay right around two to four within the collection at any given time. But you know, real high quality, very original. So let me ask you this, the, um, I would assume based on what you just said, I would assume that you drive these, uh, vehicles. And I think to a degree, you need to drive them just to keep everything, uh, greased properly in the fuel and all the rest of that stuff. Um, how cool is it just getting the looks and then the questions, uh, about them?
So it’s, it’s, it’s interesting. The, the questions are, you know, I drive them, I have them because I love them and I enjoy them. And I love the fact that other enthusiasts, um, appreciate them too, but that’s not what it’s about for me. But I do get a lot of questions and people always want to know, like, they don’t know what they’re looking at, but they always want to know what year. So anytime I’m, you know, my wife and I are together in one of my classic trucks, I, right before I get out, the first thing she always asks me is what year is this truck? And what is it? Let’s do the prep before I get out. Yeah. And the reason she asked that cause inevitably the second I get out and I walk away and she’s sitting there in the passenger side, you know, by herself, somebody comes up and is like, what year is this? What, what, what truck is this? You know, so she always has to prep. That’s really cool. But I mean, I understand that’s not the reason why we have Jeeps or we do modifications or anything like that, but that’s part of it. And it’s part of it when you have an older vehicle, especially if it’s a vehicle that they remember when they were a kid or a young adult, maybe it’s a vehicle they always wanted and never got. And then boom, there it is. Modern day, there it is. And it’s just, it’s freaky, you know, to see one, especially seeing people drive them. And I think that’s so important that people actually drive these vehicles. I have made this comment. I don’t mean to beat up on Jay, but Jay has all these vehicles and he should do, be able to do whatever he wants to do. But he has so many vehicles that he can’t drive all those, all those things regularly. Uh, and I understand that’s not the reason for him having the collection, although he does drive some of them. Uh, it, maybe if I get to be a billionaire and I have a big warehouse and you know, I have a bunch of vehicles, maybe that’ll be different. But right now it’s just like the, you don’t, you’re not taking the kids out to the park. You’re not getting them outside and doing things with them.
And that’s what they’re, they’re here for us to be enjoyed. And that’s when I feel bad. That’s why I pared down my collection so much is because I had all these trucks and they look great. And, and, but they require a lot of time and a lot of maintenance. And if you’re not using them, you’re not driving them. Somebody else could be enjoying them or tearing them up, but that’s just what you gotta deal with.
But you want it once it’s yours, do whatever you want with it. I’m a firm believer that, you know, build it however you want it, paint it whatever color you want it, do an interior, whatever it is. As long as when you look at that truck and it puts a smile on your face, that’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what anybody else thinks. It’s a matter of what it matters, what you think and that it puts a smile on your face and that’s all that matters. So that’s what you do for the, for the business,
selling vehicles for other people. Oh, I remember what I was going to ask you. Photographs. You’re not going to be there to take the photographs. How big of a pain in the ass is it to explain to people, no, that’s not the shot that I wanted.
Lighting focus, uh, angle. I mean, there’s all kinds of things that you’ve experienced and you know what sells, what helps sell things that people are going to be buying online virtually. So how hard of a process is it? Do you have examples? Do you, uh, I mean, you can’t just be mean to them. You have to, it’s a customer. So it’s a client.
So I’m, I’m the one that’s handling all the creative. So I’m very fortunate that I have a network of photographers and videographers all over the country. Yeah. So, um, I have a network of, of, of inspectors, videographers, uh, photographers all over the country that actually handle every aspect of that creative. And, you know, I’ve worked throughout the years. I’ve really worked it out to have a defined shot list and video angles that I want taken for every single, um, every single video as well. So it’s not just still. Yep. The ultimate goal is, cause you gotta remember 90% of these vehicles are being purchased site on scene and you want to give that prospective buyer a very transparent experience, right? But you want to really put them next to that vehicle inside that vehicle. So by having photography that, that, you know, with hundreds and hundreds of, of, of pictures, still still photography that allows them to walk around and, and be inside that vehicle and see every aspect of that vehicle. And that combined with videography, where, especially now, a lot of my, um, a lot of my videographers will use drones. Um, actually, uh, if you look on my website, I just represented the sale of a very rare 1984, four C ice blue Jeep CJ seven, where my videographer did drone video and he literally went all the way around the vehicle and up and over the vehicle did driving shots. It was really, really impressive. Um, but what that does is it puts a perspective buyer, um, that is thousands or hundreds of thousands of miles away next to the vehicle in the vehicle. They, they feel comfortable making that, um, that purchase site on scene, but it also adds value to the vehicle because you’re attracting somebody that is going to pay a premium number. So, uh, yeah, I think that the drones are very good for perspective. It gives you a different look, a different perspective of it. And I know it sounds screwy, but if, if you’re like me, and I think a lot of people out there are like, if you work in an office and you park someplace where you can keep an eye on your Jeep while you’re at work, maybe you’re on the second, third floor, you look at it, the Jeep, you just check on it, but you’re, you’re, you’re admiring it. So the drone footage actually can give them a precursor to what they may be doing at work in their office. So, oh, that looks really good in the parking lot. That’ll look really good in the parking lot. Oh yeah. That makes me want to get it. You just never know the, what, the feelings that you’re going to draw out with someone like this. Now, the thing I want to ask you is, and, and maybe you’re already doing this, maybe you’ve already looked into it, virtual reality. Now, I won’t say there’s a lot of virtual reality headsets out of there out there, but actually getting in the vehicle, having their head under the hood, looking at this stuff, moving around, have you looked into this? Is this something that you’re considering?
It’s funny, actually, one of my videographers had just brought that up to me. And he said, you know, unfortunately the, the cost does not outweigh the benefit at this point because there aren’t enough VR headsets out there, right? We haven’t had mass acceptance of virtual reality, but that would be a perfect situation for selling these cars.
Absolutely perfect. Um, and if there was more mass acceptance out there, I would a hundred percent do it. You know, any way I can, I can present a vehicle to have it put its best foot forward and make a perspective buyer feel comfortable, um, you know, moving forward the transaction and knowing that they’re, you know, they’re purchasing a vehicle and it’s a very transparent, um, sales process all day long. I’m really surprised about all the details that you’ve gone into it, and especially, I know you, you’ve been a collector and stuff, but the details that you’ve had to go into for the, for the, the classic four by four business are, it’s, it’s really, really detailed and you’ve really gone through a lot of process where these, these questions that I think are common questions that people would ask. You have answers for, I mean, the pictures alone. I mean, that, that to me would be the biggest pain in the ass because people just don’t know how to take pictures really. Uh, and uh, so over just two years, which really surprises me. And if you’ve been doing this for 10 or five, even, it would make sense, but two years you’ve gone through a lot of stuff to get to this point.
Oh yeah. I mean, again, remember I’ve been doing it professionally for two years for other clients. Um, but prior to that, I’ve been doing it for 10 years, um, for my own collection. But that’s when you have to use, you have to whole asset whenever you start doing it professionally. That’s my point. Yeah. You know, but I, I learned very early on when I started selling trucks out of my own personal collection is as long as you’re putting your best foot forward and you have very transparent, um, right up. That’s well written, right? The more information you can give a prospective buyer, it’s always going to yield the highest sell price. And so the better you present it out in the market is going to yield higher sell price hands down. So even when I was doing it for myself, I will say I made all my mistakes, um, you know, from a strategy and presentation standpoint on my own stuff. But I learned from that, uh, from those mistakes. So I don’t have to repeat those with my clients. Um, but building up a network of freelance creatives across the country has been probably the biggest value add is, you know, I have, it doesn’t matter where you are in the country. If you’re in Texas, you’re in Idaho, you’re in, um, you know, uh, the Pacific Northwest, you’re in New Jersey. It doesn’t matter where you are. I have a videographer, a inspector and a photographer, um, on hand that I can call, get them scheduled, you know, within days. So I’m looking at classic four by four.com slash about, and it has a picture of you as the founder. And, uh, I’m, I’m guessing that’s a blazer that you’re in front of.
That is a K five blazer. I was actually, uh, there’s a pretty interesting, so I was not in the market for that vehicle. I was down, um, at GAA, which is in Greensboro, North Carolina, which is a great, uh, in-person auction, great classic, great for classic trucks. And I was actually down there representing a, uh, a truck for a K 10 for a client, uh, representing the sale. And all of a sudden like this, I had, it caught my eye when in the, in the preview area, you know, that beautiful deep dark blue, all original K five 1990. So it’s a late second gen K five, you know, caught my eye. And I said, I’ll watch it go across the block. I didn’t do any research on, on value beforehand. And it went through, it went across the block and it, people weren’t raising their paddles and it wasn’t really getting the, the love that it deserved. So I said, you know what? I’m registered. I’ll just raise my paddle and believe it or not, ended up with it. Uh, and I said, you know, I didn’t, I usually do a lot of research beforehand. I hadn’t done a lot of research, but I knew enough about the market to know that I think I’m getting this at a pretty good number. Um, and, uh, that’s how I ended up with that truck. But that picture you’re talking about is me, um, in the Paramount theater actually in Asbury park, New Jersey. So, uh, what year was, was that, uh, that K five?
It’s a 1990, uh, K five. So it’s technically the, in 1987 GM, um, changed over from the C and K monikers C is two wheel drive K is four wheel drive to the R and V monikers. Um, so the R is two wheel drive, the V is four wheel drive. They changed over in 1987,
but when you talk to square body enthusiasts, they don’t really still use the R and V moniker. Uh, they don’t really take the R and V moniker into consideration. They still use the C and K monikers. So though it’s technically a 1990 V five blazer, if you ask anybody, it’s a square body, it’s a K five. So the reason why I asked about this, this is the exact color of my 83 Chevy short will base pickup, which was a four, my first four wheel drive, uh, midnight blue. Uh, I believe is this color. And that is just like my 83. Uh, I actually, when I got it, uh, it didn’t have a radio in it, which was great cause I didn’t see any sense of having a factory radio and it didn’t have those Chrome or those, not Chrome, but polished mirrors, stainless steel mirrors or whatever. I had to buy those to put them on the 83. And, uh, again, mine was a short wheel base. So it, mine might’ve been a little longer than that, but I mean, it really looks like my 83. And I’m really surprised that that it still looked like that in the nineties. I thought they did a, a body change, uh, that would be quite different, uh, in the nineties, but I didn’t follow it. Uh, you know, it didn’t follow it long, but yeah, the square body, I loved that truck. It was a, the engine was crap. The transmission was crap.
But, but with a four inch left and 37 inch tires, it was so cool to drive.
Yep. So it’s interesting with the square body trucks, the C and K square by trucks, they ended in a 87, but the, the, the tens, the twenties and the thirties, right? But the blazer body style, the five, right? Um, the K five or V five, whatever you want to call it continued all the way through. Nineteen. So even though the square body pickup truck, um, body style ended in 87, the blazer V slash K five body style proceeded all the way through. I got all kinds of comments, all kinds of looks, and it was especially fun going through a drive through. Uh, they, the, the, the people that were taking my order or giving me the order, I guess, would ask me, how do you get in that thing? And I didn’t do a six inch lift like everybody was doing back then. I wanted it sitting closer down to the, to the, to the tires. Love that truck. I’d love to have another one. Only if you knew what that 83 short box K 10 was worth today. I mean, I had no idea. You don’t even want to know. I had no idea that the, the, the, you know, the square bodies would be a thing. I just happened to get one and happened to, you know, just here, you know, relatively recently found out that the, the square bodies were just a big deal. Uh, and, uh, especially with the Ks, the Ks, a lot of the Ks were the K 10s, K 20s were long bets. So the short beds were pretty rare. So to find, you saw more of the short beds in the season than he did in the case, but to find a K short bed, um, you know, in, certain, which would be the third gen, um, square bodies is, is pretty rare and worth a good penny. He’s no doubt. I traded it for an 82, uh, I rock Z with a tee tops.
Well, I don’t know much about our Iraq Z’s, but I think the guy that was on the other end of that trade may have been a thing. Yeah, I don’t know. I didn’t want to get rid of it, but I had a, had a son coming. So I had to do something that wasn’t a, uh, uh, four-wheel drive, lifted four-wheel drive to drive the family around in. Um, I love that the Iraq became the family car that I, I, you just got credit points for me right there. That’s awesome. I was young, I should have been mature and bought some something that was like, uh, some, uh, POS, uh, vehicle, uh, that was the dependable, but I still had, uh, had the desires. See, I actually, uh, so I don’t know, this show isn’t about me, but just to give you a little background. I started with a 73, uh, Pontiac Ventura, uh, and my parents wisely had got it with a six cylinder engine. Uh, it was a manual. There was nothing, nothing to it. Uh, but, uh, they didn’t keep me from modifying it and I wound up putting a 327 in it that I had built and putting a four speed Muncie and doing a bunch of other stuff to it. And, uh, somebody pulled out in front of me and I totaled it. Now I was doing 130, uh, at the time when they pulled out in front of me. So it was kind of my fault. Uh, and then I’ve, I picked up a 72 Nova that I moved everything over from the Ventura to it. There everything that was still good wheels, mags, all that stuff. Uh, and I got that 72 Nova for 400 bucks. And then I drove it until I sold it and got a truck cause somebody was going to die. It wasn’t going to be me, but somebody was going to die.
So that’s how I got into trucks. Uh, but, uh, then from trucks. So, um, yeah, it was a lot of fun, uh, doing all that stuff. Uh, if I had a lot of money now, I’d probably relive that, get me another Nova and, uh, and actually change something more than just the engine, you know, uh, get a different rear end and just have fun, uh, at any rate. So, uh, really, uh, really quickly, cause we’re going to go over time on this and I apologize for keeping you so long, but, uh, really quickly tell us about the podcast because you mentioned that the podcast was the reason why you’re doing this professionally now. And I think that’s a winning podcast story. If you could actually, uh, make money, uh, either directly or indirectly from a podcast, you’re winning.
Yeah. And I, the podcast is how it all started is I basically had a mentor in my, in my previous career when I worked in, in finance, who one day we were having lunch and he’s like, man, you’re really into these trucks and these, these classic trucks and you understand the market. You should do a podcast. And I was like, okay. So I looked into, you know, at the time I was, you know, I was kind of semi retired and said, you know what, let me look into it. And launching a podcast is not that hard. There’s, there’s a lot of great platforms out there. So I just started doing it and I started just reaching out to friends of mine that were collectors or enthusiasts, uh, or had build shops and said, Hey, can you just come on this podcast and let’s, you know, let’s just talk and see where this thing goes. And, you know, that was 18 months ago, um, when I launched the podcast and I have to tell you, uh, it just catapulted through the roof. I think a lot of that is because what I’m talking about is a lot different. There’s a lot of amazing content out there that is in the truck and four by four world that is focused on build and, and getting dirty and, and off-roading, but nobody’s really talking about the market, marketplaces, collecting. I’m, I’m really one of the only ones that were out there and there’s a market for it. People were interested in, and that’s how I gained a massive audience and a massive following. And from that audience, from that following, um, came people that said, Hey, will you help me sell my, my classic customer collector truck and four by four? And that’s, that’s what really brought classic four by four, the business itself. It’s always very satisfying. I think, uh, whenever you, you put yourself out there, you put yourself out there for scrutiny. And, uh, there’s so many trolls out there anyway, um, that, uh, and they feel really free sitting 900 miles away from you behind the, the relative safety of a screen to make a sny comments. Um, it’s really satisfying when you redo something and it’s appreciated and people listen to you and they, they want to be associated with you in some way or form. It’s wonderful. And, and, uh, as a podcaster, and you probably have gone through this as well as a podcaster, it’s so nice having people connect with you, even if it’s just, I really enjoy your show because it’s like talking into an echo chamber. You know, you may hear yourself, but you don’t, you see the numbers, but are those really people that are listening? I mean, that’s just the number. So it’s wonderful when people reach out, interact. And I’m glad that you’ve had such, uh, such success, uh, over a relatively short period of time. We have,
we have a great community out there of, you know, truck and four by four enthusiasts. And, and yeah, there’s always going to be trolls. There’s always going to people, you know, be people that are keyboard cowboys. But I have to tell you, I’ve come across way more great people than I have trolls, you know, and, and that’s what I love when somebody reaches out to you and just says, Hey, thank you for, for talking about this. I found this topic really interesting. One thing I do a lot is anytime a listener or an audience member reaches out and says, I’d love to hear about this. I really take that into a lot of consideration and go out and try to find a guest that can talk as an expert, um, a subject matter expert on what people want to listen to. I did my entire, I think it was my second or third season of the classic four by four podcast on just purely listener requests, just stuff that people wanted to listen. Yeah. And you want to, if they’re listening, I’ll, I will give them whatever they want to listen to, right? It only benefits us all. Very nice. So classic four by four.com. I mentioned cars earlier, but you don’t do cars. You do classic trucks and, uh, SUV type things that were.
All I do is trucks and four by fours, classic custom and collector trucks and four by fours. My, my core is, you know, Jeeps, Land Rovers, Toyotas, Dodge, Chevy, Ford, uh, international harvester. That’s really my core on, on what I represent. Um, but I also represent a lot of late model custom stuff, uh, JT’s, JL’s. I just represented the sale of a, a very rare 2023 Toyota four runner, TRD pro in color of the year. Solar octane. This is the last year for the three 92. Are you looking forward to selling a, uh, a Jeep three 92 and how are you going to keep from buying it? I agree. I mean the three 92, but I will tell you it’s going to open up an industry, uh, for swaps for three 92 swaps. Because you’re going to start seeing now that they don’t have the three 92 anymore. You’re going to start seeing shops and build shops go out there. Cause there’s demand. People want those three 92s, right? There’s a, there’s a reason that, you know, a modern JL or JT is selling well below MSRP. But if it’s a three 92 it’s selling well above MSRP still in this market. People want it. There’s demand and there’s going to be build shops that are going to be doing three 92 and Hemi and five seven swaps in these J these new jails. Absolutely. All right. So, uh, I would assume that if people want to know more about classic four by four.com, they can go to the website, but they could also listen to the podcast. Where can people find you, uh, find your podcast?
So, uh, you can, you can go to classic four by four.com, um, backslash podcast, or listen to it on any podcast, uh, listening platform of your choice. We’re on all the platforms, just like I’m assuming you guys are. Uh, you can also follow us on Instagram at classic four X four underscore trucks and check out our website at classic four by four.com. Well, uh, Chris, I really appreciate you being on here. It was, it’s, it’s always fun to talk to somebody about Jeeps, but when also, when they’re a podcaster, there’s, you know, there’s all these avenues that we can go down and just, it’s just fun. It’s kind of like, um, I think it’s like being in group therapy because you can tell your story and you hear from somebody else and you know, maybe I won’t Jeep today because now I’ve been in, you get a chip for not, uh, you know, not selling your Jeep for another month or something.
So Tony, I really can’t thank you enough for, for having me on the, uh, on the Jeep talk show. Really. And I like saying this a lot, uh, but believe it or not, I know you’re a podcaster and I know that you, uh, you light a guest like I do. I’m just joking. Uh, but I really would like to have you back on the show because we’ve only just scratched the surface of this.
You tell me when you got my email address, reach out. I’m happy to be on the show anytime. Right. Thank you very much. Have a great day. You too. You know, in a recent episode, I told you that Apple has changed the way they handle shows that are tagged automatically, uh, for downloads. Uh, in other words, you know, you can go in there to the, if you don’t already know about this, uh, you can go into the app and say, yeah, I want to keep like the last three episodes, most recent three episodes, or however many you want to do. That way, if you’re out of service or you just don’t want to have to download them or stream them, uh, whenever you’re out away from your wifi, uh, they’re just there. So they play immediately and you can listen to them. And you know, the, the, the most recent three is usually a pretty good number. And that’s what we always encourage people with the Jeep talk show to do, especially the Jeep talk show. Cause you, you never know when you’re going to be a off road and out of cell service. So, uh, and I think they’re doing it right. I mean, it’s not good for, for the podcasts, but, uh, so the way Apple does it is, is that if you’ve tagged for download, uh, and you have these already downloaded your phone, if you don’t listen to any of the episodes for 90 days, it turns off the automatic download. It doesn’t do, even though you’ve tagged it, it no longer downloads those episodes. And you know, and this makes sense. Why continue to download a podcast? You’re not listening to. This has caused many podcast downloads to drop 27%. Uh, I don’t know. I mean, I think sometimes we get busy. We have all kinds of forms of entertainment and information we can get these days. So, uh, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing that people aren’t listening to podcasts anymore. Maybe they’re listening to new ones. I don’t know. That’s one of the reasons why we always have to make sure that we’re doing the best we can do here to keep you guys entertained. So if you’re a podcaster and you monitor your numbers, this looks horrific. It’s like, Oh, they hate us. They hate us. 27% drop. That’s horrible. Uh, or somebody else has come along as doing a much better job. So I figured for the longest time that people were just being turned off by the show changes. We made people that we have on even me, uh, not, uh, just not fitting in with what you like to hear, who you like to listen to. So, uh, I was kind of happy to find out that this Apple change, uh, was causing a lot of issues for a lot of shows, but also to kind of down because that means that, uh, we’re not seeing the download numbers like we used to a huge drop, you know, over 25% is this, this is a huge drop.
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I love that promo. Promo is so much fun and it’s from several years ago. I wonder if any of those people are still listening. I mean, uh, I haven’t heard from, uh, from John, our radio guy for, for a while now, John, you need to reach out to us. We need to get some updates on radios. Uh, and John, real quick question. Have you heard of Miss, Miss Tastic, Miss Tastic on Laura? So I’m playing around with that these days. So you guys can look that up or just send me a message. I’ll give you more information on it. All right. So thanks again to Chris of classic four by four. You should visit their website right now, classic four by four.com. It even if you don’t buy anything, it’s fun to look at. And also too, it’s great to let other people know that are into the classic trucks. Uh, the classic four by fours, it was a really fun and interesting interview and we were definitely going to have to have Chris back. Hey, coming up next week, David lad of armor light, uh, at their website, go armor light.com. What a great product. Uh, I do not own it yet, but I plan on buying one, uh, at least the front part for my wife’s TJ. And I’d like to get the full, uh, set for the, uh, for the gladiator. Actually, I think the gladiator only comes in a full set, but get rid of the carpet in your off road vehicle and put something in there that, uh, will keep the water from getting on the metal and just drain right out the holes. Uh, there’s actually no maintenance you have to do to this thing. Once you get it in there at this, uh, it’s, it’s rough, it’s thick. Uh, it doesn’t get mildew. Uh, if it gets wet, it’s, it’s, it’s, I, I’d like to see Jeep putting this stuff in from the factory.
And that’s a wrap for today’s episode of the Jeep talk show. I want to give a big thank thank you to our special guests for joining us today and sharing their knowledge and experience with the Jeep community. Remember, we have five episodes a week and it’s understandable. If you may have missed past episodes, you can always find us on your favorite podcast platform or, or, or on our website. Uh, and of course YouTube as well, which I was talking about earlier with over 1000 episodes, there’s plenty of Jeep talk show to entertain you while driving to your destination, working out at the gym or mowing the grass. Of course, now you can do it while you’re working on your Jeep in your garage. If you have a TV set up in there and you know, this is what you can do. I don’t mind you. You can tell the spouse, honey, I need to get a TV set up in the garage because Tony said so prove your day by listening to more Jeep talk show. Hey, we love hearing from you. Our list or reached out to us via email, phone and social media. We use your voicemails on the show. So until next time, keep on Jeepin and we’ll see on the trails. Fridays are red. Remember everyone deployed
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