Ep. 20 Proper Winch Cable Care: Save Your Cable (And Your Jeep!)

🎙️ XJ Talk Show Classic: The Care and Feeding of Your Winch (with Steve Howard – 4.3LXJ) In this classic episode of the XJ Talk Show, Tony sits down with moderator and experienced off-roader Steve Howard (4.3LXJ) for a practical, no-BS deep dive into proper winch use and cable maintenance. Steve shares hard-won lessons from years of logging, four-wheeling, and real-world recoveries — exactly the kind of info that can save your cable, your winch, and potentially your Jeep (or worse). ### What You’ll Learn: – How to properly spool new winch cable for maximum life – Why your cable bunches up and how to fix it on the trail – Steel vs synthetic rope — pros, cons, and when to use each – Smart anchoring techniques (trees, bushes, and what NOT to hook to) – Snatch block tips, chain vs strap setups, and using your Jeep’s own power to save the winch motor – Gloves, fairleads, mud/sand issues, and much more Whether you’re a beginner or seasoned rock crawler, this episode is packed with actionable advice that will help you take better care of your winch and stay safer on the trail. Originally aired on XJTalk.com — now preserved for the Jeep community! 00:00 – Show Opening and Introduction 02:45 – Sponsorship and Advertising Details 03:23 – Listener Call from Brian XJ 04:22 – Repeated “Chop” Segment and Contact Email 04:41 – Promo Contest, Homeland Security Discussion 05:49 – Credibility Disclaimer on Advice 06:35 – Guest Intro and Sleep Anecdote 07:00 – Podcast Access and Call‑In Information 08:21 – Recording Submissions and Live Call Setup 10:36 – Audio Test with Steve and Echo Issue 11:15 – Winch vs. Wench Humor Clarification 11:41 – Legal Joke and Public Bathroom Poll 12:23 – Observations on Public Bathroom Hygiene 15:12 – Transition to Winch Care Topic 22:04 – Begin Care and Feeding of Winch 25:32 – Initial Winch Cable Spooling Procedure 27:39 – Preventing Cable Pinch and Slack Technique 29:35 – Handling Cable Bunching During Winching 30:40 – Cable Replacement Habits and Synthetic Options 32:45 – Preference for Steel Cable in Mud 33:55 – Winch Anchor Points and Leverage Rules 36:31 – Using Brush as Winch Anchor 38:52 – Cable Handling Concerns 39:20 – Hooking Methods and Backward Winching 40:21 – Backing Up to Reduce Winch Heat 41:27 – Power and Traction in Reverse Winching 42:27 – Mud Conditions and Pulling Power 44:02 – General Vehicle Comments 44:33 – Time Management and Wrap‑Up 45:33 – Snatch Block for Straight Pull 49:25 – Chat Feedback and Upcoming AC Topic 50:17 – Warm Weather and Air‑Conditioning Issues 52:41 – Question & Answer Session Introduction 53:27 – Cable Gauge Question and Answer 55:48 – Metric Cable Size Discussion 58:14 – Additional Winch Size Questions 59:50 – Popular Winch Sizes Overview 01:00:59 – Rear Bumper Winch Planning 01:01:36 – Testing Winch and Double‑Take Joke 01:02:47 – Hammer Fix Plan and Need for Horse 01:03:34 – Call for Comments and Ustream Account 01:04:42 – Thanks and Show Closing 01:05:18 – Next Show Reminder and Sign‑Off 👉 Join the conversation at https://xjtalk.com 👍 If you enjoyed this, hit LIKE and subscribe for more Jeep Cherokee XJ content, tech talks, trail recoveries, and classic XJ Talk episodes! 📧 Guest inquiries or old episode suggestions: tony@xjtalk.com #XJTalk #JeepXJ #WinchMaintenance #OffRoadRecovery #JeepCherokee #4×4 #RockCrawling Visit our website: https://jeeptalkshow.com/ Watch/Listen on Spotify https://jeeptalkshow.com/spotify Join our Discord Server: https://jeeptalkshow.com/discord Subscribe to our newsletter: https://jeeptalkshow.com/newsletter Help Support the show via Patreon: https://jeeptalkshow.com/patreon

Episode Transcript

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I catch you at the top show It’s, it’s a one No, no No, no, no, no

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Having a new toy to play with tonight It is the uh, the mic boom You can probably see um, the microphone is now coming from a magical place above me instead of below me You have to say that very carefully My name is Tony I am Mudderoy on XJtalk.com And this is the show about Jeep Cherokees Not the Grand

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The Grand’s are okay But it’s not an XJ Hey, that’s pretty good I have to remember that one

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Tonight will be uh, Steve Howard 4.3 LXJ from XJtalk.com Talking about the care and feeding of your wench And as I’ve been saying on Twitter and Facebook I’m 99% sure that’s with an I and not an E I hope so because the one with the E Right on that that’s just not this kind of that’s not kind That’s not the kind of show we do We’ll get started here in just a second I’m gonna learn how to talk in the meantime

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This is Brian XJ. Just calling in to tell you that we really like the website. It’s full of a lot of tech and a lot of good people. I always get a response back quickly. Thanks. Have a good day. Hi. I am other than from Olamater, Mongolia. I have joined with XJTalk to earth ago with warm welcome from my brothers and members of S.I. I learned a lot from friends at XJTalk. Yeah, XJTalk is a real friendly community of Jeepin Outfitters and I say we’re always ready to help each other and welcoming you to the XJTalk for fellowship. Enjoy our weekly podcast, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter channels. List the definition about XJTalk by BigGem350 from Tony’s signature.

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Come here and join with us. Welcome to XJTalk.com.

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Are you interested in being a guest on XJTalk? Well, you can contact me via email, Tony at XJTalk.com. That’s Tony at XJTalk.com.

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Awwww. Yeah, I love that. That was from Ordodin in Mongolia and he did a promo and he was hoping to win the performance distributor FireWire 4.0 kit and he came pretty close but that went to Weldmond. And yes, I know Weldmond. I still have to get that out there to you. We had a discussion in chat today about that and I explained to him how it was held up because of a new Homeland Security ruling that you can’t send anything that’s deemed hazardous by Homeland Security through the mail. And I had him going. He was trying to figure out how I was going to be able to get that to him. He really wanted it. And he was a good sport. He’s still talking to me. I don’t know that I would, I think I would have been this mad because I kind of lie pretty good.

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I know just enough about stuff to make it sound like I know what I’m talking about. So remember that when I’m giving you advice on your GpexJ. I always try to let you know if I’m going by something that I read or something that I’ve actually done because that’s what I’d like to know.

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Does the guy helping me know what he’s talking about or is he just being a guy and acting like he knows what he’s talking about? And you know we all do that.

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Well let’s see who we have in here tonight. We have East Texas Hunter hooked on drugs. No, I’m sorry. That’s hooked on XJs, P-E-I-X-J and B-W-Fool Juan. And well, Torrell just left.

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Gosh, I guess he didn’t want me to say his name. Sorry Torrell. Too late.

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Bear told me that he had to get some sleep tonight. I told him he should sleep in the show like most people do. But dum bum.

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But he excused himself which is perfectly fine. You guys, the live show, to me it’s fun being in a show. And around the chat room and experiencing the full flavor of the show. But you know the primary purpose of doing this was the podcast. So if you can’t be here for the show, you can at least listen to the podcast which is available on iTunes. It’s also available on podcast.xjtalk.com. So one way or another you can listen to the show. It’s on YouTube.

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You can do a search for XJtalk on YouTube. And there’s just many, many ways. You can see the recording on Ustream. So it’s probably going to be up on the site in one of the forums. So there’s all kinds of ways to be able to keep up with what’s going on the show. Oh, that reminds me. Please call in any questions or comments that you have on the show that you would like to be played on the show. And you can call 530-675-4102. And we’re going to be using the line tonight to talk to Steve. But any other time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you can call in. And that’s our feedback question line. So you need to call us and leave us a message. And we’ll get that question or comment question answered or comment played. And again, that’s 530-675-4102.

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If that’s long distance for you and you would rather just record a MP3 or a WAV file, you can do that and just email it. And you can email that to webmaster at XJtalk.com.

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So I want to throw up some music real quick. We’re going to get Steve 4.3LXJ on the phone. And we’ll talk about the care and feeding of your witch.

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(Music) Good guy. That’s the biggest problem I have with that song is that blah, blah.

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You know, I think that’s evidence that there’s drugs in the music industry. But the rest of the song sounds great, doesn’t it?

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Okay.

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Oh, got to play this.

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(Music)

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It’s an XJtalk live phone call. And truth be told, I called Steve. Not the other way around, but you know, the promo doesn’t say that or the whatever the hell that thing is called doesn’t say that. Let’s see. Hey, Steve, we got you there? Yeah, we got me. Yeah, excellent. Sounds like the audio is adjusted for a change. I like getting everything set where I just turn the button, just press the button for it to come on and it sounds good.

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Are you able to hear me okay? Yes, I am. Excellent. That’s the other problem I always have. And I know we already discussed on the phone. We’ve turned down the show on your side, so there shouldn’t be that irritating delay.

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No echo for you, in other words. Right. So as I was promoting this a little bit this evening, I was telling everybody that this show is going to be about the care and feeding of your wench, and I was almost certain that you were referring to the wench with an I and not an E.

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(Laughter) Yeah, yeah. Excellent. We want to leave the wench out of it. Yeah. No, it’s not that type of show. Yeah, well, she’s easily offended.

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Of course it could be if everybody wants to listen to the care and feeding of your wench, but it sounds illegal to me.

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Yeah, I’m sure that Homeland Security would want to be interested in that.

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I think I’m on several watch lists already, at least if not directly, indirectly, because I’m in association with the website.

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(Laughter) Yeah, you subversive you.

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All the various discussions we have on the site, which by the way, xjtalk.com is more than just a Jeep site. We have a lot of fun talking about things, making fun of one another. There’s a poll that I put up earlier today about do you wash your hands after you use the bathroom in a public bathroom? I didn’t want to ask about home because, you know, it’s closed doors, lights may be off, and people like to keep that secretive. But in public, it’s kind of hard to keep it secretive. So it has nothing to do about Jeeps. It’s just something that I found interesting over the years, being in public bathrooms and hearing people walk in, use the bathroom, and then walk right out. And you kind of notice, at least I do, “Hey, I didn’t hear running water.” (Laughter) That just flushed and left. Who was that? I don’t want to shake hands with those people.

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(Laughter) Yeah, I know. It’s something you don’t want to think about. Yeah, exactly. And of course, that’s just kind of the way I am. I talk about things that people don’t want to think about.

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(Laughter) You just need to carry hand sanitizer with you. Well, I’m not a freak about germs, but it’s just the thought of it. As I was telling Rene in the post, as a kid, I never washed my hands. I mean, come on, why would I wash my hands? And I’m sure they were very oily and sticky. Actually, I couldn’t handle sticky, but oily and dirty and never. I mean, you know, one bitch in momentum if I had to wash my hands. And now as an adult, actually, I think when you get the flu for the first time and get the good double-barrel flu is when you start thinking about germs.

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Good God. It’s not that I thought I was going to die. I was hoping that I would die.

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(Laughter) Yeah, I had that here recently. We’ve been down, and I’m still not 100 percent. I’m sorry to hear that. It’s really rough. Yeah, yeah, it hangs on for a month.

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It got really bad for three days, and those three days I should have stayed home, but because of my work ethic, which is to go to work but not really do anything, but at least show up, I was there for two of those three days. And the day that it was just absolute worst, I just couldn’t go. And I should have stayed home all three days. And next time I will. But so far, using the paper towels to open the door and washing my hands vigorously with hot water and soap, it’s been working. I don’t know if that has anything to do with me not getting sick with the flu, but I have not gotten it in the last five years or so.

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No, I’ve been a couple years, but I got it this time around.

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I’d blame the wife.

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Yeah, well, you know, it’s just one of those things. You can pick up a flu virus anywhere, and all you have to do is rub your eye or eat something or whatever, and you’re done. Yeah, almost literally. At least it feels that way. Okay, well, let’s get on to the subject. You and I haven’t discussed any of this, so it’s going to be off the cuff, shooting from the hip. At least you know what you’re talking about. I’m sure it will be as good as it always is. By the way, thanks for jumping in on short notice. I just spoke with Steve last week about let’s do another show.

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I mean, this is, I think, your third show with us. And so it’s been very interesting each time. The first show, we kind of got to know you. And actually, I probably should get into the habit of doing that. As I mentioned, Steve is 4.3LXJ on XJtalk.com. He’s one of our moderators. And Steve, give us a little background. You’re located in California, but what city?

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Well, we’re in Durham, but nobody knows where that is. It’s near Chico.

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It’s that little farming community.

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It’s about 75 miles north of Sacramento, which is a lot easier to find on the map. And we’re down in the flatlands, not too far from a creek that used to have gold in it. So since I’m sitting on the floodplain, I’ve been wondering one of these days if I can just dig up the whole place and get some gold. But anyway, we’re right at the base of the Sierras.

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We live about an hour away from rock crawling in a couple of different directions. And not very far from heading up over the Donner Summit, get up some really high elevations. We’re within easy commuting distance of the Forte Ice Creek Trail, and I’ve been on it several times and have yet to get to the end of it, though. But anyway, that’s sort of the area.

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We’re in a nice area where we can grow lots of fun things and so forth. And we’ve got enough land to have a shop, so I’m happy. Yeah, and it’s a beautiful area. I mean, I’ve seen a few pictures of you going out with your Jeep, which is quite specialized. In fact, your namesake, or user namesake, is from the engine that you chose to put in there.

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Yeah, it is. The smog police got after me and said I couldn’t run that 2.8 anymore, even though it was a good engine. I liked it. It did what I wanted to do, and it got 22 miles to a gallon.

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But they had a carburetor problem, and I couldn’t buy any carburetor parts for it. They quit making them. So I said, I am not going to throw this Jeep away. So I did a little research and decided I was going to put a 4.3 in, and I had it figured out. So it was going to be simple, but the smog police made it a lot more complicated. And so one thing led to another, and it’s kind of a Chevrolet with an Atlas behind it right now. Yeah, it’s a very interesting build, and I don’t guess you really have done anything with it here recently. No, I haven’t. We’ve been kind of hurting on gasoline. I’m going to be going out again here soon in the spring.

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I’m hoping to get Mark from Payless to go with me. There’s a new trail that not too many people have heard of, and some locals told me about that live up Quahasset Road, not far from it. And they told me how to get there. And so we’re going to see if we can go find that. And it’s supposed to be an all-day thing. And then when we do, we’ll try to get a group together. And we’ll have lots of picks. Excellent. Love the pictures. We’re all picture horrors on xjtalk.com. And we’ve got a lot of them. Yeah, I’ve been out, but I just haven’t taken any pictures because I’ve either been by myself or I didn’t want to get out in the middle of a waterhole and take a picture or whatever. So it’s one of those things. Taking pictures are hard, especially when you’re working on a vehicle and you’re trying to do a ride up or you want to try to have some information to share with people on the site. It’s a lot of work, and we really appreciate people taking the time, whether they’re out having a good time or not having a good time working on their vehicle. And I shouldn’t say that just because I don’t enjoy working on mine. I enjoy saving the money, and I enjoy being done and knowing that I did the job. I’m not so much of let me go lay under the Jeep or pull the tire off and redo the brakes because I like it. It’s just because it’s got to be done. And that’s the only way it’s going to get done is if I do it because I can’t afford to have it done.

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I like I was telling somebody yesterday, even if I was letting somebody else do it, I’d be standing there watching them do it to make sure it was done right. So I’m pretty well damned if I do and damned if I don’t.

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Well, I enjoy working on things. I’ve always enjoyed making things. I was sort of a child prodigy, even though my father didn’t encourage that. And I’ve been making stuff and thinking around with stuff since I was about four. And so right now and lately, I’ve been working on my son’s Mighty Might. And we want to get that completely ready to go and highway worthy by the 1st of June. And then once that happens, I’m sure we’ll have to have some pictures up in the up in the woods and so forth with that. So we’ll have another trip. That’s going to be a lot of fun. That’s you’ve been doing a lot of pictures on that. And I also didn’t been doing a lot of work on it. And we sure appreciate you sharing that with us. We’re probably going to get the Wrangler talk site going here within the next six months or sooner. And we may have to move some of that over there to to that site. Yeah, we can do that. My son’s got a Wrangler so he can get on there. Well, that would be good. I think that was the only thing we were really, really lacking. I thought it was a great idea. The XJ talk was so successful. And I figured the same formula would work with a Wrangler related site. And I started it up and quickly realized I have no information on Wranglers. The only Jeep I have is the XJ. So, you know, I was able to prime the pump, so to speak, with XJ talk, especially with the bumper that detours built for me. There was a lot of interest in that front bumper and really helped get the site going, I believe, because it brought a lot of people over from several websites, Jeep websites that I was on to look at the final product and look at it installed on my Jeep. It was kind of interesting on the timing on that because it’s not something I planned. It just kind of worked out that way. But I think it really made a big difference in getting the site going. Okay, anyway, let’s go ahead and get to the care and the feeding of your winch.

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Okay. Well, first off, I want to kind of preface my comments here. I’ve done a lot of winching, not just as a four-wheel drive owner. But I used to cut about 10 cords of wood for myself and then a few cords for everybody else to sell. And the way that I got it was as I took on the logs and I’m down in the landing up in Oregon. And so I got to give that poor old Dodge Power Wagon a good workout and the PTO winch on the front of it. And I learned by experience that there’s things you shouldn’t do to cable. And then later on, I graduated from that, I started logging, I bought a cat and hired myself out to yard logs on small sales. And there’s a lot of winching there because you got to get the logs into you. And I set my own chokers and so forth. And so I drug a lot of cable and hooked a lot of logs. So I got pretty intimate with cable and how it works and so forth. And there’s one thing you notice and that is if you do the right thing with your cable like they do on a high-lead login show, they never replace their cable. It lasts forever. Yeah, it’s great. I mean, they spool it just right on their big drums and so forth. And they’ve got a mile of it on there literally. And it’s never a problem. But on my winch, on my truck, I went through several lengths of cable over the years. I’d get about three years out of a 250 feet of cable and then I’d have to go get some more. How often were you using that? Oh, I’d use it. I’d go out and cut wood. I’d use it four or five times to yard logs in and so forth. And I took it out four wheeling a few times and got it hung up pretty good because it’s so long and heavy. And so I might use that winch probably, oh, at least 40, 50 times a year. Okay. Well, that’s a lot of use then. Yeah, yeah, it is. I would think three years is pretty good. But yeah, it’s interesting that you see the loggers using them forever. Yeah. And so I learned a few things from them. And I wanted to share those things tonight. And there’s, you know, the average guy will go out and buy a winch. He throws it on the front of his vehicle and he’s off. He gets stuck and he gets his cable pinched first, first time he uses it. And then it’s got a weak spot in it. And then he goes and breaks it right where the pinch was. And so the idea is to avoid that. And we have one ex four wheel drive shop owner around here who had 12 years of use on his winch, his worn winch cable, and it still looked good. And so he and I both use the same practices. So I thought I’d share those tonight. Excellent.

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So the first thing to do when you get your winch is to unspool the whole thing

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down to about three wraps and get your significant other in her car and hook that cable on it and winch her in with her foot on the brake just a little bit. And the idea is, is that when that cable is put on at the factory, yet they just wind it on there nice and loose. And so it looks kind of pretty and it boxes up and they send it to you. But it’s very important to get your cable on tightly and is so that it’s as close together. So it’s touching when it’s tight, is particularly on the first two wraps or first two layers rather of the cable. Because what happens is, is if you get in a hard pull and that cable is not on tight and there’s some space in between it, you’ll suck the cable down in between the layer two of the other cables on the layer underneath it and it’ll get stuck. And many times you’ll have trouble spooling it out, you’ll have to spool it out under power and it’ll get kinked and it gets all nasty looking. And sometimes you can just put some tension on it and pull that out and it’s not too bad. There’s other times it will cause a strain or two to break. And if you do,

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right where that strand breaks, there’s a weak spot because it’s reduced by

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a percentage of how many strands you have in your cable.

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And it’ll break when you least want it to. It always happens that way. Right. So anyway, the first time you use it, you need to take and wrap it up tight on the drum and then just keep it that way. And then when you use it, don’t just give it a fling, have some care in the way that you pre-spool it out and don’t get any loose spots or anything in it. And if you do, you should pull it out even further and start with a slack cable before you winch and get it nice and even on there. And that way you’ll avoid getting that cable pinched in the layers that are underneath it. The next thing that you need to be aware of is that because we never have anything directly in front of us when we do it a winched, our cable always bunches up on one side. And if you’re not paying attention, you can wrap that cable up so big on one side that it actually starts getting pinched down tight between the spool and the bumper or the spool and the fairlead or whatever you got it set up. And then you start getting into problems because, number one, you can’t finish your winching eventually. And two, you can’t get the cable without somebody else’s assistance. So what you should do, if possible, and it’s not always possible, but if possible, is to winch a little ways until you get it all bunched up and then stop winching. Peel the cable off and go back to where it’s a nice smooth layer, spool it up,

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put a glove on your hand and spool it up by grabbing it and getting it nice and snug as you can as you get it back on nice and evenly and then continue winching. And it’ll bunch up again and you might have to do that, for instance, so three times before you get done with your winching.

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But if you do that every time, you’ll have a nice new looking cable. It’ll look like it did when you got it and it’ll always be strong and ready for you when you need it. Yeah, I’ve done about four, maybe five winching now and the other day I did it

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just because some kids got stuck across the street from a restaurant I was eating at. And I was going to ask you about that bunching thing because it’s really difficult to

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keep the cable on. Like you say, it’s never straight. I don’t know if it’s because

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it’s kind of hard to position the winch properly because I mean, I pulled up behind them and I was directly behind them, but it’s still bunched up on a side and I wound up having to do exactly what you’re talking about. And I’m not so sure I didn’t do some damage to the winch because I wasn’t being that careful with it. I figured it’s a winch and you’re supposed to use it and those things are going to happen. And obviously if it gets too high, it’s not going to be able to pull the cable in as it pulls it in and you’re not going to have the room. But I just dealt with it as it came. I’m going to have to be a little more careful with it from what I’m hearing.

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Yeah, well, it depends on a lot of people, they’re just used to buying new cable every year and a lot of hardcore rock crawlers around here, that’s what they do. Every year, they buy new cable. But they also don’t take care of it. They’re out there, they use it, it goes on however it goes on and then they take off and get hung up on the next rock.

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So then they get it out and they use it again and so forth and it starts getting pinched and it starts getting kinked and pretty soon it starts to break and then they go and they buy another cable.

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I guess the synthetic rope can be or the synthetic cable can be as problematic.

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It’s not as problematic. It doesn’t pinch as bad and it doesn’t respond to kinking the same way as wire rope does. But it does have some drawbacks. One is that it doesn’t like abrasion if you

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are winching and it gets on something hard and abrasive like a rock, it’ll tear it up pretty good, pretty fast. And the other is that you’ve got to have a smooth fairlead and smooth rollers if you’re going to use rollers because it doesn’t take much before those fibers under stress can get cut real easy. And so you’ve got to be aware of that. And the other thing that I’m wondering about and I’ve never really heard anybody talk about this and that is if you use synthetic out in the mud and you get that thing full of mud, there’s thousands or millions of little sharp edges in those strands. And I’ve never heard anybody say how that affects those synthetic strands. Yeah, the sand and the dirt and all that stuff would be very abrasive to the… Yeah, and so I you know jury’s out on that for as far as I’m concerned. I think I prefer cable and mud

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and probably synthetic if you’re smart about it in rocky areas.

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Anyway, that’s what you should do and you should always handle it with a glove if you can. You never know when you’re going to get a burr and form those little strands breaks and it goes through your hand. You’ll know it right away, I guarantee you. Yeah, like a needle. Well, it turns into a knife blade. It’ll just go right through your skin and it can catch just like a knife. So you should wear gloves when you handle it. It doesn’t take a lot of gloves but just you know some gloves preferably leather and just as a safety precaution. I’ve got some real light gloves that I use that work just fine. Of course, my cable doesn’t have any burrs on it yet so it’s not really an issue. But I’ve never used real heavy gloves even when I logged. I always use light gloves and it worked fine. The other issue that I wanted to talk about is when you’re winching it’s what you attach to. I read an article in Four Wheeler magazine. One time they were talking about winching setups and they were showing snatch blocks and things like that.

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What struck me real fast was they were having been an ex-logger and so forth is that

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they were in a stand of real tall skinny conifers of some kind. I’m not sure where they were, what part of the world they were in but they were hooking up H2s to it, fairly heavy vehicle and snatch blocks and so forth. They had everything hooked up about chest high.

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My take on that situation was that with that six or seven thousand pound vehicle it was stuck and especially with the snatch block hooked up that high on that tree. It was coming down. They were going to have a big dent in the top which would be very embarrassing I think. So I emailed Four Wheeler, they printed my letter and they said yeah that’s right. Of course they were just demonstrating but still it’s something that people should be aware of and that is what are you hooking to? You never want to hook very high on a tree unless it’s a very large tree because it is possible to pull them over. And you have to know your trees a little bit. Everybody’s sort of familiar with the area where they live and at the time I was living in western Oregon and there’s a tree called a U-tree. They make bows out of it and certain other things where they need real hard tough wood. Those trees grow in kind of a swampy area and they can get up two feet in diameter. But if you hook a winch up to it at chest height it is possible to pull that big tree right over on your XJ. And I guarantee you it’s heavy enough it will flatten it. It doesn’t matter if you have a cage. That would not be that would not be fun. No it wouldn’t. They have very shallow roots. So the rule is whatever you hook to you need to hook down at the base of it. And if you do that you’d be surprised at what you can hook to and pull your Jeep out.

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The last time I used my winch to pull me out uphill in the rocks I hooked onto a piece of brush. It was a fairly large piece of brush. It was called it’s a horse chestnut or California buckeye if anybody’s familiar with it. Sometimes they make tables out of the stumps if they get big enough. But it’s basically just a big bush. And if you hook to the base of that or some manzanita or some of the desert species right at the bottom there and you know use your tree strap to go around it and get it on the bottom you would be amazed at how much power you can put on that without pulling it out of the ground. But if you hook up kind of hook up high on it it’ll just break. That’s all about leverage. Yeah it is. Well it’s the way the bush is designed. It’s supposed to be strong right at the base. So I pulled my big old 7,000 pound power wagon out. One time it was hooked it was caught on the bumpers in a mud hole because it was so long and it wasn’t going anywhere. And I couldn’t reach anything with the cable except a fairly small piece of brush. And it wasn’t very big. And I actually pulled it out with that piece of brush with the winch. So it can be done. Just gotta gotta pay attention to what you’re doing. Well I forget what it’s called but I do know that they have something that you can bury in the dirt and use that as a winch point. Something else. Yeah it’s called a pole pal and it’s on my list of things to want. I was gonna say that’s another one of those things. I mean I’ve got the gloves, I’ve got the tree saver, I’ve got the winch. And so you know one of the things I was kind of noticing is I’ve been wanting to hook up my switches inside the cab and manipulate the winch from the sitting in the chair instead of having to the driver seat, instead of having to hook up the remote cable and run it through the window and so forth. And I’m probably still going to do that but it’s like what you’re describing. You really have to keep a good eye on that cable. And I’m afraid that you’re going to be getting it out no matter what.

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Yeah you gotta get out to hook it up unless you’ve got somebody that’s being really nice for you.

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Well when you’re pulling them out they hook it up. And I like the liability standpoint of it too because I tell them you’re hooking it up, don’t tear up my tree strap because you’re going to buy it otherwise. And any damage that happens is on you. Right. Well that brings up another issue and that is you know how you hook things. I am an advocate and I’ve always

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used some short chains on the end of my snatch strap. And if you’ve got a clevis or something that’s fine you don’t have to use that little chain. But it’s a two-foot chain, it goes nicely around an axle or a piece of the frame or something like that. And it does the job that a clevis won’t. And it also can keep you from getting a lot of oil and grease and crap in your strap too which I don’t like. So you know I just hand that and say here you go wrap this chain around your axle or something like that and I let them hook it up. And the other thing is that if your drivetrain is up to snuff and everything that a lot of times I may start with the winch and finish it up just by backing up. Oh that’s interesting. Or something similar. I didn’t think you were supposed to do that. No you can do it. But you’ve got to have your drivetrain up to snuff. If you’re about to lose a U-joint or something like that you can break one. But you need to be pulling straight when you do. And you’d be surprised at how strong that Dana 30 is if you’re pulling straight. And you can do that. And it saves your winch. Actually what I was heard that it was not good to do that for the winch. Oh no it doesn’t hurt the winch. But the thing about the electric winch is that the most fragile part of the whole winch is the motor. And that’s what you want to save. And heat is the enemy. You don’t want to get it hot if you don’t have to. So you just stop winching the brake is applied automatically at least online. I guess like on most of them. And then you back up. Yeah just back up. And if you’ve got an automatic transmission that’s a nice easy pull anyway. Now you don’t want to jerk it though do you? No. No you don’t want to jerk your winch. Just the cable is going to be tight anyway right? Right. So you just have your foot on the brake you slip it in gear and just ease it back in low range. And you know you don’t have to try to turn these guys into an instant flingshot.

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And if it doesn’t move you continue winching. Yeah you can continue winching.

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That’s interesting. That way you can keep the temp down on your on your winch. Yeah and some people actually have more traction with their vehicle than and can exert more pulling power that way than they can with their winch. And that power wagon I had was that way. It would pull more than you could with the with the PTO winch the cable would break first.

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So it was uh it’s good to know. It was quite yeah it’s quite powerful and and and many rigs if they’ve got good traction and so forth you can do that. They they have the power to do it. Now if you’re in slippery mud and so forth and so on that may not be the case. But many times. Well that would have worked well on the recovery that I did the other day because the when the cable started bunching up I mean I don’t think you want to get it bunched up and then pull on it because that could damage the cable. But it was a long pull and I was now from when I hear I could have just I was on dry ground. I mean they were going through the mud hole and I could have just backed up. But I’d heard that that was not a good thing to do. What I may have maybe I misunderstood and what I heard was not to to you know have it loose and then jerk it like you would a strap. Yeah you don’t want to do that. Right. But which is another thing I need to get is one of those 30 foot four inch wide straps. You don’t need that much of a strap. The four inch strap is actually too much. You want to the strap needs to have enough give into it so that it’ll take up Oh that’s interesting. You know I’ve only got a I’ve got a not very big strap and it works okay and I’ve got even a lighter strap that’s made for towing that stretches really nice. And

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when I had my mighty might running only weighed 1700 pounds I snatched a lot of jeeps out that way. It usually took me about three tries but I need them out.

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Just get like a big rubber band you know stretch it out. Yeah. Little by little they’d come out. I bet you that was fun to watch too.

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Yeah it was nicknamed the vacuum cleaner you know they go get stuck in the mud hole and they say get the vacuum cleaner out and then we get turned around and back down in there and hand them the strap and say here you’re hooking it up. Oh yeah god bless them. I mean you get it stuck you’re hooking it up. And then it’s you betcha. And then if you then if you get stuck you can remind them hey remember those times I pulled you out you need to hook mine up.

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You know what I never got that little thing stuck. Not once. Yeah smart or good one of the two maybe both. It’s just the vehicle it’s so different than anything else and the area we were in was western Oregon the land of the temperate rainforest and and what gets you there is is the crown in between the ruts. And that vehicle being independent suspension it would just sort of slow down and it would roll along on the brake drums and it would go through those areas at about half speed. So I just never got it stuck and it would climb out of the ruts real easily and and so forth and it was just really the the perfect mud rig. So we’re kind of excited that Paul’s running and he cannot wait to take it out into some big mud hole. Oh man well it’s it’s it’s fine when you got people there to help you help get you out. Boy when you’re out there by yourself though. Was there anything else that you wanted to cover because I’m just trying to keep an eye on time here. I don’t want to want us to run out of time. The only other thing I want to cover is is that something that I’ve done so that you can get a straighter pull is that to use my snatch block. For instance I would hook to a tree on the side. There’s never a tree at the center of the road. Nope never. So what you do is you use your tow strap and hook to another tree and put your snatch block on the end of it and and rig it up so that your snatch block is about in the center of the road and then your cable makes that kink and goes off to the tree on the side and you can make a fairly straight pull that way. Yeah it’s another thing I got to get. Well those things can be kind of expensive. Saw one and some the other day Payless had some for a good price I believe. Really cheap so but yeah some of them can be expensive and some of them are less money. How do you determine which are the ones you need and which ones are the ones you don’t need?

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I just size it size them according to the you know what how much pull the winch has. But I mean is there I mean I don’t want the thing coming apart on me and not knowing anything about snatch blocks other than knowing that you can double your pulling capacity and redirect the line like you were talking about. I’m a little nervous. I mean when I see one for 70 or 150 bucks I figure that one’s probably a good one. If I see one for less than that I’m a little tumultuous as the forest you know should I you know get this potential projectile. Yeah well it won’t be a projectile and generally unless it comes off of whatever you’re pulling on. But there’s two kinds of snatch blocks and the construction is completely different. One is it that’s most popular and I have one of those is the kind that the the two halves swivel so that you can fit the cable in there and then they swivel back and the two eyes match up. Yeah I was thinking that there’s a type that I was going to get. Yeah well I’ve got one you know nothing wrong with it. They have a pound rating on them what they’re good for and you should rate that according to your winch. The other type is more old-fashioned. They’re quite a bit heavier but they’re very strong and they have a

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pin in them and the top of them actually comes apart that’s hinged and you slip the cable in then you put it back and run the pin through it and it looks more like a block that you would get off of an old sailing ship for instance. Only made out of usually out of cast iron and and those can be very strong but they’re also very heavy. So and I don’t think that they’re entirely necessary. The other type you know as long as it are rated for whatever double your you know if you’ve got a 9,000 pound winch and you get a 19,000 pound snatch block that’s going to cover it because you want to double the capacity of the winch for for the rating on the snatch block.

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Yep I gotta get me one. I don’t you know I don’t know I’m picking these things up one at a time and trying to remember to get them. Fortunately I had everything I needed to get those those kids out of the the mud hole the other day. I actually get them out twice. Yeah that’s what you tell them you do this again and you’re on your own boys. Yeah I certainly did. Okay well that’s great I was reading some of the comments in the chat room while we were having the discussion and I saw at least one one comment that this was great information they were they were glad that they were they were here tonight so that makes me really good. I gave you full credit and said that the subject matter was your your choice that I wanted I wanted to talk about something computer computerized or something but actually I was I was taking a wheel alignment and because I need to I need to line my Jeep and I was just being selfish. Yeah there you go. One thing I think we ought to talk about some other time is is air conditioning. It’s getting to be that time of year and there there are some myths out there and and and some facts. Excellent. I’m all about AC I guess you are too it gets pretty warm where you’re at as well. Oh you betcha you betcha yeah I used to be a AC tech as well as a service manager so you know I’ve got some insights to share there. Excellent that I love that subject that’s this is the first time I’ve heard of this from you so yeah I’ve learned a little bit about it my AC didn’t work for a good year until I found out that they made a special goop that I’m sure is bad for the compressor that you can put in there and it helps seal the rings and I forget what they’re called now the little rubber o-rings. Anyway so now I have AC but I think it short cycles it gets plenty cold but I think due to that short cycling it’s causing the electric fan to come on and come off more often than it would and I think that’s what is causing part of my running hot on the freeway. You got to just put a switch on that fan I have and actually that’s the way I kind of found out that it runs cooler if I just leave it on all the time even going down the road 70 miles an hour it makes a difference. Somebody was telling me it probably doesn’t act as a block to the air because it’s turning. No it doesn’t and in fact your fan you don’t see it but if you’re running down the freeway at 70 miles an hour the air going through your radiator will make the fan turn but it has to overcome the resistance of the motor and so forth so it doesn’t go through as fast as if you would have the fan running. Yep because I was I mean it made sense that you probably can’t get enough airflow through any fans unless it was a jet engine to move that air faster than what the the pushing of the vehicle down the road does. I do think I’m having a flow issue and I think it’s going around the radiator more than it’s going through but when the fan is on I think that helps it helps it move through the radiator. At any rate we can discuss the all the fun stuff that’s just been my hobby for the last three or four years trying to figure out how to fix the running hot and actually it doesn’t do too bad. I just don’t I just can’t run 80 miles an hour down the road. If I do 70 it stays fairly close to 210. It’s not exactly where I want it but I’m going to get it there. Yeah okay guys and Steve I think you know the deal here we we take questions and I don’t think you have any problem with that. I told the guys in chat that we were going to do some questions so get warmed up. So are you able to see chat or do I need to read them? Yeah I’ve got it here been watching it. Okay. I’ve been watching it while I talk. Good. Okay guys any questions for Steve on the care and feeding of your winch?

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Stunned silence. I must have dazzled them with brilliance or else they know it all already.

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Well Steve, while we’re waiting for one of these questions to come up okay this this could be trouble. Turl what’s your question?

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Turl would like to know what gauge cable were you running? Oh if you’re running a steel cable it’s got a rating on it. It should be should be sized according to your winch. 5 16th galvanized cable is generally rated for 9 000 pounds. So if you’re running a 9.5 winch or or or less you can run 5 16th. When you get to the 10 000 and up particularly the 12 000 anyway you should be running 3 8th thickness cable. I don’t know what that comes out to in metric. I could figure it out real fast here. So do they do they make the area for the winch the spool onto do they make that larger to accommodate the cable or do they? Well sometimes they do or they just put less cable on. That was going to be my other question or do they just put less cable?

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Yes. Okay to answer Turl’s question since he’s over in the metric part of the world 3 8th cable is 9 and a half millimeters.

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And let’s see how much is the most decimal equivalent of 5 16th.

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It would be 16 divided by 5. No it’s 5 by 16.

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Well if you want to get technical about it. Yes I do. 0.3125. Yeah that’s what I’ve got here too.

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We could go to the moon we’ve got accurate calculations. Okay that comes out to 7.92 millimeters so we’ll call it 8 millimeters. 8 millimeters for around 9 000 pound and less and less than 9 000 or over 9.5 9 500 you should probably go to it would be the what I say before 10 millimeters. Right 9.5 let me read 10 rounded up be safe. Well I’m sure they’d rounded up over that part of the world. Right. So I’m sure parts of it would be 10 millimeter when you got done with it. Yeah you talk about cable stretching. Rini actually told me about that and we were out at the creek side and we drove around

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you know using the jeeps having fun and then we went over to the area where you can park or camp and we hooked on to separate trees and you know spooled up about the hundred feet and I drug my well actually we both you know actually Rini we should have had a race. We drug the jeeps towards the trees and so I had used the winch prior to stretching it but only maybe once or twice and it wasn’t a long hard pull so I don’t know hopefully I was able to stretch the cable before any damage was done. Well it’ll stretch it’ll stretch itself tight.

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It’s more important to have a little bit of a pull on it to when you put it on the drum so it stays snug on there. But that was an alternative to hooking onto a car just finding a tree and making some ruts with your tires. That’s true you really only need you don’t have to get a big stretch on it 500 pounds tension which is not a lot. No it really isn’t. It’s all you know so just to you know get your wife you know in the car with the parking brake on a little bit once you’re in. Oh that’s interesting so really wouldn’t have to be a screaming drag

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down the street with the neighbors calling 911. Yeah really well not only that if you get too much tension on that cable it’s hard to get it to spool right. That’s true yeah that’s true. You get 500 pounds on it and you know even if you get a nice brake pull that can be a challenge when I did it the first time I had to you know stop and peel it out a little bit because it got crossed over and things like that. So and I had my wife’s friend in her car when I did it and so it’s 500 pounds is all you need it’s not a lot you don’t have to get heroic about it. Excellent do we have any other questions for Steve before we wrap it up?

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I never know how long the delay is between when I ask and when they hear it and when they formulate a question or something smart ass. Yeah do you do you lidge the next day? I’m sorry? Wayne’s got one. What’s a good size winch for the XJ? Winches should be uh the capacity should be double the weight of your vehicle. Now some XJs weigh a lot by the time you get all the stuff in them. But if you’ve got a 4,000 pound Jeep you should get an 8,000 pound winch.

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And I think aren’t they like 2,700 pounds or 3,000 pounds factory from the factory? Depends on which one you have. My XJ with the little V6 in it and a standard transmission

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with my winch on it was 3,500. Yeah. And it’s heavier now I haven’t weighed it but it’s heavier now than it was because I’ve put that larger V6 I’ve got quite a bit more transmission and I’ve got a whole lot more transfer case because the transfer case weighs 185 pounds by itself. Right. No I mean I think a good rule of thumb for an XJ is probably a 9,000 pound winch. You probably get away with an 8. Yeah well I’ve got a 9.5 on mine. I think that’s what mine is too is a 9.5. I can’t remember. Yeah that’s a poppier size.

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It’s a it’s enough. I’ll be as big as you should go with a 5.16 cable. Yeah it’s uh it’s enough to drag that uh that Jeep around really easy especially when you get another one that’s stuck in the mud uh or high centered. Oh my god I couldn’t believe that. The only thing that was moving was my Jeep. That was just amazing. Then I got smart and moved around to the back where it was where I should have started from but you know. Yeah that’s another good rule of thumb. It’s always easier to go back the way you came than it is to go forward. Yeah I mean I wasn’t thinking about the reason why he got stuck was because he high centered it and he high centered it because the the pumpkins on the rut I mean on the uh the the thing in the middle the what do you call the thing the the edge. Differential pumpkin. I wonder are you talking about the the the ground of the rut? Yeah the mound. Anyway so pulling it back is a good idea because he obviously made it that far so he either made it uh he either cleared it or he dug a dug a trench. So yeah it went out backwards very easily uh but forward no that thing didn’t budge. I mean it didn’t look like it budged a quarter of an inch. It was it was solid. Well that’s one reason uh uh before I go back to some serious mud up in Oregon I’m going I built my rear bumper so that I could put a winch in it and I’m going to do that so that I can winch myself out backwards uh if I need to. Yeah that’s a beautiful bumper. I’m looking forward to seeing that. You don’t have the winch in it yet do you? No I don’t uh I sized that for my mile marker which quit on me after I built the bumper. Of course. Yeah of course and that’s when my wife said go on get yourself a good winch. So I said okay whatever you say here. Did you do a double take? No no I just said okay there. So I went and bought that warrant

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she didn’t bat an eyelash every time she sees it she says yeah you needed a good winch. I said okay. Well with with all the customization you do and all the tools and stuff you have in your shop I’m sure it won’t be any problem getting that thing fitted properly. Well it the winch works now I dropped it on the floor not works so uh I am going to take it apart and try to make sure that it’s more reliable and and uh probably put it on the back like I was originally going to do. Yeah I guess that is a good sign you know if you can if it if it starts working then it’s probably just something loose or something that needs to be replaced and you’ll be okay. Well I talked Mark down a payless about it just to see what he had heard and so forth and he said that uh the brushes get sticky in them and then they don’t make contact and that’s probably what happened to mine because there was no smoke or anything it just stopped and uh so uh a little vibration drop it on the floor of the shop whatever kick it around for a little while I touched some jumpers to it and it fired right up so uh I know now that if it ever quits again I’m just going to get out hammer and we’ll fix it. Well after seeing all the the pain and suffering that Reaney put his smitty belt winch through um if and when I get to the point that I can afford to spend $300 or something that’ll sit in the back of my Jeep that’s a that’s a real possibility and getting the two inch receiver so I can just take that out and plop it in the back of the Jeep and then I’ll be able to do the same thing it won’t be as cool as your your winch with that nice little bucket for for the winch in there but hey if Gaskets more expensive we made us be winching ourselves around

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again no kidding I’ll have to get another horse get a horse or something

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so guys any other comments or questions for Steve before we wrap this up

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yeah I’m seeing bad brushes comments on bad brushes here from several people

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there’s something about KY I don’t see the mention of jelly so that might be the stuff up above there a little further they were talking about jelly and lubing

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I’ve said it before that’s the only reason why Mark moved to to Kentucky is so he so he can say he lives in KY

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it’s an old joke but it’s mine yeah I know I don’t get it I haven’t heard it before oh really yeah I told it on a previous show

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well I’m not seeing any other any other questions there I think as usual the chat room takes on a life of its own which is you know part of the reason for for joining us in the chat room because it’s it’s fun so if you guys don’t have an account you you stream a tv account you should get one Steve thanks a lot for joining us tonight very interesting subject and they even said so in the chat room that had a life of its own so I know it was um maybe uh maybe next week or the week after that we can get together and do the AC thing it’d be very very timely with summer come out

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yeah I kind of thought it was so thanks again and I’ll uh I’ll catch you on the site have a have a very good night okay thanks good night guys well guys that’s another uh another show another Wednesday show uh reminds you again about calling in questions and comments to our call online it’s 530-675-4102 530-675-4102 just do it it’ll be fun you can tell your friends and neighbors that you’ve made it on a podcast they’ll say what the hell is that you can explain it to them and they’ll look at you like you’re crazy call in questions feedback comments let me play your uh play you on the on the show it’s fun also too you can follow us on facebook xjtalk.com actually I just think it’s xj talk and on twitter you uh if you’re on twitter on facebook and you xj talk you’ll notice that you’ll see some of the posts come through so if you don’t have a smartphone and you can’t get updates from the site using tapa talk you can follow some of the posts via twitter messages and facebook posts so guys thanks a lot remember next week wednesday 8 p.m central time and I’ll let you know during the week what the show is going to be about

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